Sybarite
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I remember reading a report on Birvidik the first one. What struck me was IIRC that it carried two tons of fuel. It also had a roof which covered the cockpit as is now proposed by the Vilm 117 (see my earlier post).
Pilot house/deck saloon yachts.
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I remember reading a report on Birvidik the first one. What struck me was IIRC that it carried two tons of fuel. It also had a roof which covered the cockpit as is now proposed by the Vilm 117 (see my earlier post).
Ex-SolentBoy
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Twister_Ken
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I'm sure Northshore would be happy to build you one of these.
LadyInBed
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Colvic Countess 33 & 37
There were also a few 35's made but they are not anything more than a 33 with a sugar scoop!
There were also a few 35's made but they are not anything more than a 33 with a sugar scoop!
Supine Being
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If you want to go budget, you can have this Barbary Ketch for £18k
http://www.easternyachts.com/barbaryspirit/index.htm
http://www.easternyachts.com/barbaryspirit/index.htm
LadyInBed
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2 genres
A topic close to my heart! There really should be 2 genres - most "true" deck saloons used to be designed with a large superstructure above the deck, to give good external visibility whilst sitting down within - whether to helm from or just to admire the view. Traditionally the alternative used to be the safe but isolated/gloomy underground/submarine style saloon we all know well.
The DS' 2 downsides were a) the superstructure blocked the view from an aft cockpit helm (think moody 45ds & most catamarans) and b) the need for side decks meant that the standing headroom living accommodation was considerably narrower than in an equivalent non-deck saloon yacht, which made the 35'-43' range seem cramped This is one reason they haven't dominated the yacht market.
Jeanneau have dropped their true DS 40/43, and replaced with 40/42/44/45/50/54 "ds"s which don't have the raised cabin sole & raised superstructure, but with clever design & modern technology, they have fitted enough glazing in the hull sides & cabin top to successfully recreate the light & airy aspect, and enough notable sales success for beneteau, bavaria & others to take note & copy. Bearing in mind that for many, the yacht fulfils the function of weekend cottage/holiday home, and for those who spend as much or more time down below whether sailing or at anchor in our chilly climate, having a light & airy daytime refuge has great appeal.
There's a great minor revolution taking place at last in the yacht industry - enough of the yacht-buying public have shown that they will consider "revolutionary" designs, and that, coupled with the general public's greater interest in general housing interior design & lifestyle, has led to the Beneteau Sense range & others in the pipeline.
As a prospective liveaboard long distance cruiser, I was contemplating a 38'-40' cat, but am delighted now to have a choice of comfortable, airy 45' monohulls. Bring it on...!
A topic close to my heart! There really should be 2 genres - most "true" deck saloons used to be designed with a large superstructure above the deck, to give good external visibility whilst sitting down within - whether to helm from or just to admire the view. Traditionally the alternative used to be the safe but isolated/gloomy underground/submarine style saloon we all know well.
The DS' 2 downsides were a) the superstructure blocked the view from an aft cockpit helm (think moody 45ds & most catamarans) and b) the need for side decks meant that the standing headroom living accommodation was considerably narrower than in an equivalent non-deck saloon yacht, which made the 35'-43' range seem cramped This is one reason they haven't dominated the yacht market.
Jeanneau have dropped their true DS 40/43, and replaced with 40/42/44/45/50/54 "ds"s which don't have the raised cabin sole & raised superstructure, but with clever design & modern technology, they have fitted enough glazing in the hull sides & cabin top to successfully recreate the light & airy aspect, and enough notable sales success for beneteau, bavaria & others to take note & copy. Bearing in mind that for many, the yacht fulfils the function of weekend cottage/holiday home, and for those who spend as much or more time down below whether sailing or at anchor in our chilly climate, having a light & airy daytime refuge has great appeal.
There's a great minor revolution taking place at last in the yacht industry - enough of the yacht-buying public have shown that they will consider "revolutionary" designs, and that, coupled with the general public's greater interest in general housing interior design & lifestyle, has led to the Beneteau Sense range & others in the pipeline.
As a prospective liveaboard long distance cruiser, I was contemplating a 38'-40' cat, but am delighted now to have a choice of comfortable, airy 45' monohulls. Bring it on...!
Twister_Ken
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moody 45
I know it well ken, the 45's great but flawed - the saloon/galley is tiny, the helm vision forwards badly restricted but hats off to Dixon for such a novel design, and to Hanse for a great development & build. v £££££ too! on paper I thought it would be my dream, but in reality, I'd have a 2008 model jeanneau 45ds or the new sense 50 like a shot - possibly even the new bene Oceanis45.
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Captn D
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The Nordship 360DS ticks most of my boxes apart from price!
windpipe
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This is always a difficult question but i guess you need to ask yourself what type of sailing you want to do. Sailing around the UK or med based then i would definitely recommend the cheaper more volume based production boats, there are plenty to chose from.
Should you wish to do more long distance cruising you really need a boat with a bit more meat. That lists consists of the boats already mentioned in your first e-mail. I have sailed on many older Contests, Oysters, HR and these are all solid and go anywhere boats. might be difficult to find one in your budget however i suspect they will hold their value against the lighter/newer displacement boats.
Good luck with your search.
Should you wish to do more long distance cruising you really need a boat with a bit more meat. That lists consists of the boats already mentioned in your first e-mail. I have sailed on many older Contests, Oysters, HR and these are all solid and go anywhere boats. might be difficult to find one in your budget however i suspect they will hold their value against the lighter/newer displacement boats.
Good luck with your search.