Petrol in Diesel Can

[Bru]

Erbas - it must absolutely gall you that you have to jump through all these hoops, risk fines, disciplinaries, etc - Whilst your industry continually forces, as do the majority of service industries these days, their service personnel out of a job by creating these self-service roboforecourts where "anything goes" because there's no human to even bother with these, apparently-important-up-to-the-point-they-work-out-a-cheap-no-need-to-pay-staff-way-of-doing-it, rules?

There aren't actually that many pay-at-pump unmanned sites and most that exist are either attached to supermarkets (e.g. Asda) or HGV bunker fuel sites.

We'll never go automated, it's unlikely we'l ever install pay-at-pump at all because the only reason we even bother to sell you petrol is to get you into the store so we can try and sell you coffee

(Seriously, if we can sell you a coffee as well as your tank full of petrol we've damn near doubled our profit! Pays my wages does that coffee machine)

PS. I do, out of solidarity with my fellow retail serfs, try and avoid the self service tills and scan and go facilities at the supermarket

 

[TonyBuckley]

The helmet, to my eternal annoyance (I'd not so cheerfully refuse to serve anyone so rude as to not remove their helmet but I'm not allowed to) is OK, the mobile phone is a bit of an issue (despite Myth Busters) but 15 years old would be the show stopper!!!

And don't even get me started about people who fill containers with petrol INSIDE vehicles. Please go and blow yourself up somewhere else, I can't be doing with all the paperwork!

Taking a helmet off is bloody annoying if strapped upto comms and earpieces and glasses etc when all I need to do is slap a tenner on the counter.

 

[blackbeard]

Back to OP
could a couple of 5 litre petrol cans do the job you want done?
how much do they cost? not a lot ...
what is all this fuss for?

 

[Bru]

Taking a helmet off is bloody annoying if strapped upto comms and earpieces and glasses etc when all I need to do is slap a tenner on the counter.

Just don't expect Mr. Cheerful on the other side of the counter then!

It's rude, it can be intimidating for the staff and it renders the wearer unidentifiable if they shoplift, become abusive or otherwise cause problems. I know YOU wouldn't do any such thing because you're a forumite and it would be unthinkable but sadly it happens all too often. It's been many a long year since I had to give up riding but it would never have crossed my mind to enter a shop wearing my helmet

The helmets with the flip up chin piece are a very good compromise I think by the way

 

[FishyInverness]

There aren't actually that many pay-at-pump unmanned sites and most that exist are either attached to supermarkets (e.g. Asda) or HGV bunker fuel sites.

We'll never go automated, it's unlikely we'l ever install pay-at-pump at all because the only reason we even bother to sell you petrol is to get you into the store so we can try and sell you coffee

(Seriously, if we can sell you a coffee as well as your tank full of petrol we've damn near doubled our profit! Pays my wages does that coffee machine)

Thanks for the open and honest reply, I actively avoid the "drone" petrol stations (Asda just opened one in Inverness, Tesco the same last year, it seems the supermarkets want to go pure self-serve) - I never buy coffee from a petrol station, sadly, but Mars Milkshake and Mattesons Fridge Raiders on the other hand, you've got me!

(I also had a fliptop head when I was a two-wheeler!)

 

[TonyBuckley]

The helmets with the flip up chin piece are a very good compromise I think by the way

I take your point! I have a flip up one as just generally convenient.

Chap who runs the counter at my local forecourt is lovely. They are doing some mad offer of Xp off a litre if you buy two things from the shop. He puts the cheapest items on the counter and offers you them and suddenly the price comes down even with the two items.

 

[Bru]

Thanks for the open and honest reply,

S'all right if'n they sack me I reckon I can have six months to sail around Britain on the redundancy money before I have to get another job

I actively avoid the "drone" petrol stations (Asda just opened one in Inverness, Tesco the same last year, it seems the supermarkets want to go pure self-serve) - I never buy coffee from a petrol station, sadly, but Mars Milkshake and Mattesons Fridge Raiders on the other hand, you've got me!

We do hot chocolate and a nice line in 'erbal teas too but choccy, crips, bottles of pop ... you're entire ruddy weekly shop even ... it's all good :encouragement:

(I also had a fliptop head when I was a two-wheeler!)

ROFL, "fliptop head"

 

[FishyInverness]

ROFL, "fliptop head"

Sorry, thread drifting like crazy now but :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WESUiQ07ibY

Always how I felt and where my continual reference to the term comes from!

 

[Bru]

Talking of mad offers (drifting the thread somewhat) I had a bizarre conversation last night...

Bloke comes in, picks up a packet of sandwiches and a bottle of Coke

Me: "if you have a grab bag of crisps with that it'll make a Meal Deal"

Bloke "dont want crisps"

Me: "yeah but with the crisps it;ll be 30p cheaper than without 'em, you can give the crisps to someone else"

Bloke "dont like crisps"

Me; "OK, throw the crisps in the bin on the way out, you'll still have saved money"

Bloke "***** ***** ***** ******** crisps"

Me: "that'll be £xxx then" ! :ambivalence:

And no, I didn't ask him if he had a Nectar card!!!!

 

[Bru]

Sorry, thread drifting like crazy now but :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WESUiQ07ibY

Always how I felt and where my continual reference to the term comes from!

Yep, I did get the reference right then

Best chuckle of the day so far thanks

 

[lw395]

Taking a helmet off is bloody annoying if strapped upto comms and earpieces and glasses etc when all I need to do is slap a tenner on the counter.

It's a wind-up sometimes when you have carefully arranged your neckwarmer and stuff in winter, and you're at the beginning of a long ride.
It's also annoying wen there is nowhere clean to put your helmet.

I used to have a pay-at-pump on my commute, it was great, no need to actually get off the bike.

You would logically say 'fill up on your way home' but both petrol stations on the edge of Portsmouth are on the outbound side!

To get back on topic, I often fill my outboard can by siphoning it from the bike.
Now that I have a diesel car, I can't fill a can with petrol, then fill the car, then pay it seems?

 

[Bru]

I used to have a pay-at-pump on my commute, it was great, no need to actually get off the bike.

Another pet hate of mine that I have to up with put but this time for practical reasons. Ever considered what might happen if you managed to drop it with a full tank of fuel, a hot engine and the filler cap off with you stuck underneath? Might be a million to one occurrence but I shudder at the thought of having to try and deal with crispy biker on the forecourt!

 

[lw395]

Another pet hate of mine that I have to up with put but this time for practical reasons. Ever considered what might happen if you managed to drop it with a full tank of fuel, a hot engine and the filler cap off with you stuck underneath? Might be a million to one occurrence but I shudder at the thought of having to try and deal with crispy biker on the forecourt!

Thanks for your concern, but:
I'm less likely to drop it sat astride it with both feet flat on the ground, than relying on a side stand which flips up of its own accord on the wrong side of the bike.
In the industry, precisely how many bikes have fallen over and incinerated? I'd say none until proved wrong.
It isn't a million to one, it is tens of millions to none.

Whereas bikes getting knocked over by cars squeezing past is a real risk.

Possibly you are not aware that many bikes have to be upright in order to fully fill the tank?
I need to fully fill the tank if I'm going to commute two days without risk of running out.
(to avoid pointless argument, yes this fills the tank to leave the proper breathing space at the top of the tank as per the owners manual)

If you are at risk of falling over with both feet on the ground then I guess the bike is way too big for you.
Of course you (collectively) could lessen the risk by keeping the forecourts free of slippery diesel etc.

And please stop asking me if I want a coffee to ride off with....

 

[Bru]

And please stop asking me if I want a coffee to ride off with....

Would Sir like a straw?

On the more serious point, I suspect your probably right on all points and I've never actually heard of a fire in such circs. I have had one bike dropped as he got off 'cos he missed the side stand but he'd already put the cap on anyway. He wasnt half embarrassed!

 

[NorthRising]

Park at the far pump and look like you are going to fill the car. Then fill the can instead.

Spot on - we have to live our lives and not let the state bind us down with mindless.....

 

[Andrew G]

Back to the OP again . . .
Just interested if it is legal to fill the car, drive to the boat, siphon petrol into the jerry can . . .?

 

[rwoofer]

Most cars have anti-syphon devices these days. If you need to ask why I know, let's just say my jiggle device is somewhere in the tank....

 

[corinthmistral]

Lots of pub lawyers opining on this. If you want to actually know what the law says see here for a summary and links to the relevant legislation. No comment on what I think is reasonable or unreasonable, I think the OP just wanted to know what was allowed / not allowed.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/fireandexplosion/petroleum-faqs.htm

 

[ProDave]

(At most sites it's max 2x5l plastic or 1x10l metal or 1 22l metal, clearly marked by the manufacturer with the relevant standards etc. Yeah, yeah, we've thrashed this one to death on the forums over the years, it is just the way it is)

Interesting.

All our cars are petrol.

but I regularly turn up and fill a 22L plastic jerry can with diesel *. Never had a problem and never been questioned why I am doing that.

* actually I no longer go to petrol stations, now I have found a local supplier of red diesel to fill my can with

 

[Bru]

http://www.hse.gov.uk/fireandexplosion/petroleum-faqs.htm

There is at least one factual error in that document. It states that the licence conditions don't specify the number of containers that can be filled but I can categorically state that ours does and our licence is the default " boiler plate" version