peep your horn if you don't like raggies.

[MikeJ42]

it has been an ambition of mine to own a boat after having spent a lifetime on the pool in the merchant.Back then WAFI'S (wind assisted Fu***n idiots) were the bain of our lives and since starting again i've proved to myself that nothing has changed, they carve across in front of you and have no regard for safety on the simple assumtion that its their right of way. They all think that motor boaters are stupid, uneducated, cash splashing ignorants with no navigation skills or any other redeeming qualities for that matter. WELL mr WAFI, if your average gas guzzling, know nothing, cash splashing motor boater is doing it wrong, then tell me why the merchant and RN are all steaming around the world under motor power having long since abandoned sticks and rags!!!????

"tell me why the merchant and RN are all steaming around the world under motor power having long since abandoned sticks and rags!!!???? "

I'm not sure its to do with anything other than a 70,000 ton aircraft carrier with sails wouldn’t really work.

 

[Phoenix of Hamble]

This is the most stupid post for a long while.

If there are those making general comments about those with motorboats then why give them the satisfaction of a retort.

Fwiw I am a boater, nothing else and I have found most others to be thoroughly nice people.

What you have posted above is unnecessary...

Awww... come on... its just a bit of fun!

It made me laugh.... and i'm a raggie...

[only prodding back for fun mode]I just think he's been affected by his exhaust fumes really.... [/only prodding back for fun mode]

 

[Phoenix of Hamble]

I respect that extra level of expertise required to sail.

I think you do yourself a disservice here.... having driven a mobo a bit myself, I don't think that many raggies appreciate the neccessary skills involved in driving a mobo... I parked a twin engine boat in a marina once, and it was a lot harder than I expected... and I am sure that the majority think that you point the boat at the waypoint and let it get on with it (which perhaps you can do in a flat calm), but don't appreciate the steering input needed when there is anything of a swell....

Not wanting to promote harmony or anything, as that would be a terrible sin for an avowed raggie, but perhaps enlightenment would help!

 

[blueglass]

I think you do yourself a disservice here.... having driven a mobo a bit myself, I don't think that many raggies appreciate the neccessary skills involved in driving a mobo... I parked a twin engine boat in a marina once, and it was a lot harder than I expected... and I am sure that the majority think that you point the boat at the waypoint and let it get on with it (which perhaps you can do in a flat calm), but don't appreciate the steering input needed when there is anything of a swell....

Not wanting to promote harmony or anything, as that would be a terrible sin for an avowed raggie, but perhaps enlightenment would help!

Good point. I'd hate to do myself down! Too many raggies around to do that for me! (tongue in cheek - settle down searush) - I was talking about sailing , not boat handling. I did a week's sail training once and taking the sails out of the equation, a mobo is a much more difficult boat handling challenge than a yacht. Given that most of the yachties out here are under motor 99% of the time - 'nuff said. I don't exaggerate that 99% either. We are pretty much the only mobo on our pontoon and usually swap cruise stories when we come back in. many of them have been out for 2 or 3 weeks and return without having sailed once. Allegedly the wind was too strong, not strong enough or was blowing the wrong way. Pretty much why motorboats were invented really!

 

[25931]

I hope that you all feel better for having let off steam (steam ?)

 

[MikeJ42]

I think you do yourself a disservice here.... having driven a mobo a bit myself, I don't think that many raggies appreciate the neccessary skills involved in driving a mobo... I parked a twin engine boat in a marina once, and it was a lot harder than I expected... and I am sure that the majority think that you point the boat at the waypoint and let it get on with it (which perhaps you can do in a flat calm), but don't appreciate the steering input needed when there is anything of a swell....

Not wanting to promote harmony or anything, as that would be a terrible sin for an avowed raggie, but perhaps enlightenment would help!

Yep, hitting that autopilot button in a swell can be tricky.

 

[DAKA]

This is NOT a wind-up, just a puzzled & iggerunt raggie wondering why you need a generator?

I agree there is no need to run a genny most of the time, we dont need a genny 95% of the time so we carry a portable Kippor 2.7 kw, I am very concious only to use it when absolutely necessary such as Anchorages/harbours where there isnt any shore power.

It amazes me that raggies complain about gennys in such locations as it is obvious everyone will be running gennys if there isnt any shore power, why do they go into such anchorages when within spitting distance there is a fully serviced marina with no gennys

Bit like going to a football match and asking the bloke at the side not to shout !

 

[MapisM]

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[Tom Price]

Raggies!

"Peep your horn if you don't like raggies."

Please don't - we need BOTH hands on the wheel.

 

[Lucky Duck]

It amazes me that raggies complain about gennys in such locations as it is obvious everyone will be running gennys if there isnt any shore power, why do they go into such anchorages when within spitting distance there is a fully serviced marina with no gennys

Bit like going to a football match and asking the bloke at the side not to shout !

Why does not having access to shore power automatically mean that everybody will need to be running generators? Surely your battery banks will be fine fettle having been charged for the entire trip there.

 

[Philiz]

Actually I will correct you because you are wrong. You seem to miss the irony in my post. Let me explain.
Nearly ALL by boating friends are raggies.
I actually like yachts - I think they are elegant, graceful and even picturesque if that's not going too far.
I respect that extra level of expertise required to sail.
I never pour scorn on other people's choice of boat.
I never act inconsiderately by creating excess wash etc etc.
I cruise every where at 7knots through choice even though I can go much faster if I so wish.

What I do criticize however is that despite all of the above I am still expected to accept verbal abuse from yachties on these forums and in life, JUST BECAUSE I have a motorboat
not because of anything I've done.

Fair do's, it just seems a bit strange to me to start a thread which is purely to have a go at yotties as, let's face it, all threads turn into yottie v mobo if there's a chance. I must've been lucky so far, haven't come across much of the anti mobo mob up to yet.

 

[Philiz]

Don't worry about Searush he's just a 'puzzled & iggerunt raggie',
and Philiz is --- err - I,ll come back to you on that one

Terrwat!

 

[beejay190]

Having suffered a number of anti mobo rant threads on scuttlebutt and livaboard link, I thought it was about time we had a good old fashioned anti yachtie thread.

Just in case you didn't know, we mobos are variously, aggressive, boorish, antisocial, incompetent, untrained and we have more money than sense. Our stinkboats and gin palaces and tupperware boxes and big lumps of plastic are so ugly they induce vomiting fits at the sight of one and even moored mobos ruin anchorages. We hate wildlife, quiet bays and pretty sunsets, and our one mission is to destroy the known world with our filthy exhausts. But in the meantime, until we have achieved that noble end, we are sworn to swamp every yacht with wash and for those of us with generators we must run them all night just so we can watch TV. As an entirety we know nothing of navigation, seamanship or boat handling. Oh, and it is considered petty and pathetic if you attempt to retort to any of these accusations.
If there is anything you don't like about raggies and want to vent your spleen feel free.
If you are a raggie and you don't like anything you hear, remember you must NOT be petty and attempt to argue your case.
In case you are in doubt as to my intentions - the entire purpose of my thread is to promote disharmony in the boating world and deep seated mistrust of all those who sail under canvas. But in addition we must adopt a sanctimonious air of assumed superiority as masters of the sea.
You can demonstrate this new confidence by resolutely refusing to take down your ensign at night.

My horn remains silent, as I have no problem with ragies. TBH i have more problems with MOBOs and I am a MOBO myself.

 

[Searush]

Why does not having access to shore power automatically mean that everybody will need to be running generators? Surely your battery banks will be fine fettle having been charged for the entire trip there.

[tease mode]
Yeah, that was my thinking too, but it seems that the cost of fuel is so high that once they arrive at a location, they stay there all week & all the tellys disco lights, sun lamps, air con, beer fridges, water makers, water heaters & microwaves etc etc run down their batteries. [/tease mode]

Being even poorer, I have a manual winch that I usually ignore (too slow) gas cooking, heat water with a kettle, have a radio tuned to R4, a VHF which is generally off at anchor, no plotter except on the laptop - in fact the laptop is my biggest power use (provided I have G3 internet access) My house battery is a knackered old 95AH unit that carries a charge for about 3 days of minimum use.

 

[DAKA]

Why does not having access to shore power automatically mean that everybody will need to be running generators? Surely your battery banks will be fine fettle having been charged for the entire trip there.

Well of course its its only a lunch time stop then we can manage but if we are there longer then we need the genny for

Hot water
Air con
charge the water scooter
Charge pc, phones and various games consoles .....

Of course I could tell the wife and kids to have a cold shower after swimming, sit in the dark talking, no water scooter etc etc
And then they would be bored saddos, miserable ready to complain at any petty thing such as gennys and loud music, ah, that reminds me when we used to sail .

 

[DAKA]

[tease mode]
have a radio tuned to R4,.

Why dont you turn the thing up so you cant hear the gennys and then we can all anchor in harmony

 

[Searush]

Well of course its its only a lunch time stop then we can manage but if we are there longer then we need the genny for

Hot water
Air con
charge the water scooter
Charge pc, phones and various games consoles .....

Of course I could tell the wife and kids to have a cold shower after swimming, sit in the dark talking, no water scooter etc etc
And then they would be bored saddos, miserable ready to complain at any petty thing such as gennys and loud music, ah, that reminds me when we used to sail .

[tease mode - or is it? ]
You see, that's the whole point, MoBo'ers don't seem to be able to exist without all their daft toys. Sitting in the dark (& quiet) with a drink & talking is one of the main pleasures of an evening at anchor. If conversation with your loved one's does bore you, then I am not the "saddo" am I? But then I am usually in too good a mood to complain & simply sigh at noisy, disruptive neighbours up wind. [/tease mode]

Why not try a "natural" night just once in a while & listen to the birds, watch them wheel & turn. Watch the sunset, breathe the clean air in an open cockpit & remember what boating is really about? You may even find you like it too!

 

[jhr]

I think you do yourself a disservice here.... having driven a mobo a bit myself, I don't think that many raggies appreciate the neccessary skills involved in driving a mobo... I parked a twin engine boat in a marina once, and it was a lot harder than I expected

Huh; kids' stuff . Try parking a single engined deep vee hull with an outdrive, in a crosswind. What larks!

You flappy guys have a huge lump of iron under the boat which stops it drifting about in close quarters manoeuvering. Don't know you're born.

 

[DAKA]

Why not try a "natural" night just once in a while & listen to the birds, watch them wheel & turn. Watch the sunset, breathe the clean air in an open cockpit

Oh we do get our share of that too, we never put the tender lights on on the way back from the pub (more difficult to spot speeding)

We obviously turn the genny off as soon as we get back so we can enjoy the peace

(tease mode )
whats that

 

[Searush]

Huh; kids' stuff . Try parking a single engined deep vee hull with an outdrive, in a crosswind. What larks!

You flappy guys have a huge lump of iron under the boat which stops it drifting about in close quarters manoeuvering. Don't know you're born.

That's true enough, our boats also carry their way quite predictably, once you get used to a particular hull. But you have a megga advantage once you get a man ashore with a line. Your lack of underwater substance makes it easy to pull the hull sideways into position. Try doing that with a keelboat. In fact, just try holding a keelboat line once the current gets behind the keel sideways on - it will simply drag you into the water.

Every hull is different, it takes time to adjust from one to another, but the skill of boating is all about learning how to handle the particular hull you happen to be in.

[This IS a tease]I'm sure you will soon get the hang of your own boat now you understand it's bad points [tease off]