peep your horn if you don't like raggies.

[Elessar]

We were on our boat all weekend. On Saturday night we went for a meal with a good friend who has his boat in the same marina as us.

His boat :

So you're sane then. I know whitelighter has been out too.

Interesting boat your friend has - don't know what it is - enlighten me. Probably huge inside. Don't often see open array radar on a sailboat either - no reason why not on a mizzen I suppose.

Drat - thread drift. Not moaning about anything.

 

[Elessar]

I do apologise on behalf of all posters for the irritation we have caused. I wonder why you read it?

Like that crash on the other side of the motorway- you know you shouldn't look but........

It was collective irritation BTW, don't take it too personally.

 

[PaulGooch]

So you're sane then. I know whitelighter has been out too.

Interesting boat your friend has - don't know what it is - enlighten me. Probably huge inside. Don't often see open array radar on a sailboat either - no reason why not on a mizzen I suppose.

Drat - thread drift. Not moaning about anything.

It's a Cheoy Lee 53. Very big inside and also fitted with twin 6 cyl Fords. Huge range.

 

[blueglass]

I didn't - hence my collective apology

 

[l'escargot]

Does anybody else react badly to the terminology used for motorboats?, ie, stinkboat, stinker, tupperware box, platic pig etc etc etc.
Its odd that "yotties" ( I think that is acceptable??) don't seem to think that the name stinkboat is in any way offensive (it is). I am sometimes introduced by yottie friends to other yotties as a stinkboater as if I would find it a term of endearment. They always seem to feel the need to identify me (somewhat patronisingly) as a moboer as if it was something that needed to be got out in the open. I would n't introduce them to fellow motorboat skippers as yachties, raggies or anything else. I wouldn't feel the need to make the distinction.

Interesting comment - from someone who uses raggie in the title of the post.

Of course we are going to introduce you as a stinker or something similar - after all we wouldn't want people to think you were a raggie like us would we....

 

[Philiz]

We were on our boat all weekend.

So were we, had a run out Saturday, picked a mooring up, had lunch, watched the world go by for an hour or two. Went to the Majors for nibbles and drinks Sat. night, great weekend...........again!

 

[PaulGooch]

So were we, had a run out Saturday, picked a mooring up, had lunch, watched the world go by for an hour or two. Went to the Majors for nibbles and drinks Sat. night, great weekend...........again!

We went Cod fishing on Sunday, shame the Cod had other ideas Still, good weekend. Beats sitting at home watching telly.

 

[blueglass]

Interesting comment - from someone who uses raggie in the title of the post.

Of course we are going to introduce you as a stinker or something similar - after all we wouldn't want people to think you were a raggie like us would we....

So, and this is a genuine question - do you find the term raggie derogatory? I didn't think it had any unpleasant connotations and if it is deemed offensive I will refrain. I didn't think it was quite the same as being told you stink.

 

[RogerRat]

Having suffered a number of anti mobo rant threads on scuttlebutt and livaboard link, I thought it was about time we had a good old fashioned anti yachtie thread.

Just in case you didn't know, we mobos are variously, aggressive, boorish, antisocial, incompetent, untrained and we have more money than sense. Our stinkboats and gin palaces and tupperware boxes and big lumps of plastic are so ugly they induce vomiting fits at the sight of one and even moored mobos ruin anchorages. We hate wildlife, quiet bays and pretty sunsets, and our one mission is to destroy the known world with our filthy exhausts. But in the meantime, until we have achieved that noble end, we are sworn to swamp every yacht with wash and for those of us with generators we must run them all night just so we can watch TV. As an entirety we know nothing of navigation, seamanship or boat handling. Oh, and it is considered petty and pathetic if you attempt to retort to any of these accusations.
If there is anything you don't like about raggies and want to vent your spleen feel free.
If you are a raggie and you don't like anything you hear, remember you must NOT be petty and attempt to argue your case.
In case you are in doubt as to my intentions - the entire purpose of my thread is to promote disharmony in the boating world and deep seated mistrust of all those who sail under canvas. But in addition we must adopt a sanctimonious air of assumed superiority as masters of the sea.
You can demonstrate this new confidence by resolutely refusing to take down your ensign at night.

I really enjoyed this thread simply because the original post was funny, a bit rude obviously but listed so many of the points made by 'side mouthed mumbled comments' that are heard in marinas and Anchorages alike. (Sad but true)

Bluegrass, did you used to be a script writer on Spitting Image? I can remember when you could ignore all the news and just watch the weekly catch up on Spitting Images!

Quite a long thread here including side line discussions:

Generators, there are some that are silent you know but of course these aren't the ones that are causing complaints. True, RickP had one that you had to touch the boat to feel the vibration to know if it was running. Mine is also quiet too (like a silenced raggie engine) but the high revving portable Kippor types are actually quite seriously loud when under load.

Still, I don't think the thread was about generators but attitude. I have often noticed that some (note some) sailors have a holy er than thou attitude and immediately assume that because we choose to own a motor boat we know nothing about sailing. This is crazy to me, I know quite a few mobo owners that sailed for years and even some in the national olympic teams. One mobo yachtmaster is also a sail maker of international high regard and former sailor extraodinaire.

Indeed sadly, most of the collisions I have witnessed in marinas like Sparkes and Hythe have nearly all been sailing boats. two weeks ago I watched crew of 6 on a 36 sailing boat drive head on into a moored boat breaking his bow mounted nav lights while his crew stood back with roaving fenders. I was on the pontoon trying to push him away while he was at half throttle. (wot a plonka) This was after they had fended off three other boats for 10 mins or so. Of course, I have seen mobos' have problems too but they don't get cocky about it and try to rub peoples noses in their unfortunate mistakes. This sailing guy didn'y do it on purpose but he clearly wasn't competent. In this case there was no tide, no wind and he was departing not arriving!

So... Why do they seem to think they are so wonderful? I have owned both sail and power and I can honestly say the skillsets are different and in some cases equally challenging!

 

[Searush]

(snip)
'Petal' sounds nice enough, lets use it for a group of individuals that dont wash / shave daily, wear the same clothes for days on end, share all male bunks , cough and sputter all the time, never look you in the eye and generally moan, whinge and scowl.
(snip)

You forgot the farting but otherwise a fair description of me. As I said, call me what you like -as long as it's not early!

 

[DAKA]

sorry searush I deleted it in case it was taken the wrong way, I m pleased you read in the humour it was intended

 

[Phoenix of Hamble]

I've never been able to take any of this seriously after one September evening, ghosting into one of the east coasts most beautiful and peaceful anchorages at 23:00 on a near windless night, to round the corner and see GC1 anchored up with about 2,000 fairy lights spread across his boat.... said he'd forgotten his anchor light, so they had to do instead..... utter brilliance.... and it still makes me laugh to this day to think about it.... I can only begin to imagine what some of the other sailing boats at anchor were thinking... heck even that makes me laugh!

 

[blueglass]

I've never been able to take any of this seriously after one September evening, ghosting into one of the east coasts most beautiful and peaceful anchorages at 23:00 on a near windless night, to round the corner and see GC1 anchored up with about 2,000 fairy lights spread across his boat.... said he'd forgotten his anchor light, so they had to do instead..... utter brilliance.... and it still makes me laugh to this day to think about it.... I can only begin to imagine what some of the other sailing boats at anchor were thinking... heck even that makes me laugh!

excellent example of MOBO resourcefulness! Do you think perhaps (some) yotties just take themselves a little bit too seriously - is that one of our differences?

 

[sighmoon]

excellent example of MOBO resourcefulness! Do you think perhaps (some) yotties just take themselves a little bit too seriously - is that one of our differences?

Do all stinkies not take themselves too seriously? Certainly the ones I've met seem fine, but there're some on this thread get offended at anything anybody says.

 

[Philiz]

Do all stinkies not take themselves too seriously? Certainly the ones I've met seem fine, but there're some on this thread get offended at anything anybody says.

I find those remarks extremely offensive

 

[AdeOlly]

I have so far resisted posting on this thread as it's been a bit terse, but anyhow....

We go boating for relaxation and enjoyment not for confrontation and stress so we try not to annoy anybody or get stressed about bad behaviour. There are two requests I would make to our wind assisted friends..

1) Look before you tack; it might be the QMII coming up on your port side not a mobo
2) Put your sodding cone up when motor sailing. It never ceases to amaze me that there are humungous col regs thread on Scuttlebutt, yet rarely do you see a yacht obeying this particular reg. The reason of course is that it obliges them to give way to a mobos coming from starboard, and that would never do


A few short stories to liven things up...

Exiting Lymington back in the summer (remeber then?) we were following a yacht out who was under power but basically on the port side of the channel causing much angst to all coming up river. Getting close to the final bend he decides it would be a good time to start getting some sail up, so now he's moving about erratically, on the port side of the channel, and he chose to do this just as the ferry passed the Jack in the Basket.. he was utterly oblivious until he got five blasts. Twice. We had forseen the situation and hung back, which was just as well as in a panic the 'skipper' swung wildly to starboard without so much as a glance. You have to wonder.....

Again at Lymington one Saturday last year. The visiting yachtie next to us was very unfriendly, barely got a nod from him in response to my 'good afternoon'.. Next morning it was windy, F5/6 blowing off the pontoon and he was leaving. Despite his unfriendliness the previous day I made myself available to help with lines, but no, not necessary. He then tied the most befuddling arrangement of spring lines I've ever seen in an effort to get out without hitting anything. His poor SWMBO took a right verbal battering as they predictably got blown onto the very expensive mobo (think it was a Riva) next to them and gave it a whack with their bow. Luckly they had fendered their bow so no damage, but I'm convinced he wouldn't take assistance as we were a mobo and clearly didn't know how to slip a line.

Coming into Yarmouth entrance we passed a very smart blue hulled yacht flying a blue ensign with a crew of at least six and a skip complete with blazer. He obviously didn't approve of our daring and outlandish overtaking move. As usual I dropped to four knots to allow SWMBO to sort the fenders and warps, but Mr Blazer Blue Ensign went to WOT and released all 30 horses whilst his crew busied around. He proceeded to go round the outside of us and then cut in front as we were approaching the end of the harbour breakwater forcing me very close to the docked ferry. At no point did he look across at us as he did this. He created a potentially dangerous situation for no good reason whatsoever. Still, we had the last laugh as we had a walk ashore booked and as we left for the pub Mr Blazer was still barking orders at his hapless crew as they attempted to raft up

I've seen plenty of daft mobo antics too, but I couldn't possibly mention those

 

[blueglass]

[QUOTEbut I'm convinced he wouldn't take assistance as we were a mobo and clearly didn't know how to slip a line. [/QUOTE]


had a very similar experience in Fecamp a couple of years ago when I offered assistance to a yacht with a crew of 6 or 7. which came in with a strong cross wind. The crew seemed happy enough to accept any help on hand but the skipper shooed me away somewhat disdainfully with a terse "we're perfectly OK thank you". I won't deny the satisfaction I gained from watching them completely lose it and pivot themselves on the end of the pontoon. They had to go right out and try again. After 3 further failed attempts I again jumped down and signalled to catch a line and was again refused. At this point I admit to a mumbled "F***k you then" and left them to it. On attempt 5 they accepted help, but only when somebody from one of the yachts showed up. What's that all about!

 

[Phoenix of Hamble]

That's nothing to do with the type of boat, and entirely to do with the fact that the skipper was a knob!

 

[Searush]

Passing lines to people who offer (in good faith) to help is fraught with danger. You (as skipper) have no idea of their competence (or not). The can be holidaymakers, gogoozelers, punks or rockers - but very seldom are they boaters!

You get ropes pulling you in when you need them slacked, you get gordian knots tied to nowt, slipknots round car door handles or prams or ropes just let go of while you sort out the other end leaving you swinging out in the current.

I try to step ashore (or onto raft) with the bow & stern lines both in my hand, tie one off temp & sort the other properly before returning & sorting the second. Then I can do springs & shorelines at leisure.

 

[fergie_mac66]

fenderoffers

Passing lines to people who offer (in good faith) to help is fraught with danger. You (as skipper) have no idea of their competence (or not). The can be holidaymakers, gogoozelers, punks or rockers - but very seldom are they boaters!

You get ropes pulling you in when you need them slacked, you get gordian knots tied to nowt, slipknots round car door handles or prams or ropes just let go of while you sort out the other end leaving you swinging out in the current.

I try to step ashore (or onto raft) with the bow & stern lines both in my hand, tie one off temp & sort the other properly before returning & sorting the second. Then I can do springs & shorelines at leisure.

then there's the fenderoff just as you have it all in control somebody give the port bow a tremendous push to stop it from bumping !