Part One Registration - help please

pegasos

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I am in the process of buying a boat (46ft) which is currently Part One Registered by the first (and only) owner. I am told by the broker that he (the broker) must send a letter de-registering and I must apply for re-registration.

Must I re-register? Is there any advantage to registering? Can I just apply for SSR instead?

At first sight it seems like unnecessary bureaucracy and cost - you don´t even get the nice Blue Book anymore it seems!

All help and comments appreciated.

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Your broker is incorrect. There is no need to de-register under part I as long as you are a qualifying owner (broadly, a British citizen or EU national resident in the UK).

In order to record the chnage of ownership, you will need to complete a Declaration of Eligibility and send this off with a fee of £80 and an original Bill of Sale signed by the present registered owner. The registration will then be valid until the existing expiry date. Registration renewal fee is currently £50 (lasts for 5 years). As the boat is presently Part I registered, it is worth keeping it rather than going to SSR.

The forms can be downloaded from <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.mcga.gov.uk>http://www.mcga.gov.uk</A>

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If you need finance the lender might want Part 1 registry. Even if you don't, when you come to sell yourself the new owner might.

If you keep to part one, this is the time to consider if you want to keep the name or change it, also maybe the Port of Registry, it's easier I think if you do it all together. The name under Part 1 is absolutely unique to you, under SSR you can have 1000 boats all with the same name.

You can actually get a 'Blue Book' again I believe, though it costs extra and only puts the same document into a blue holder.



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Observer is quite correct, that is exactly what I did, cost 80 squid.

If you're broker is not au fait with the process for changing the registered owner of a boat how much confidence do you have in his abilites as a broker generally? and more to the point his bonded client account? Just be cautious.

Otherwise good luck with the new boat, part one also means your boat could be commandered by the navy and that any where in the world you can seek protection from the Royal Navy...bit out of date now I suspect.

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Maybe seeking help from the Navy's navigators isn't such a good idea - if they can run into Australia ...

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If you have the old blue book, do not send it off to Cardiff. Do as advised and get all the official bits sorted out, receipts and re-registration etc., but don't send off the old blue book or you'll never see it again. They'll send you the new "certificate" either laminated, or unlaminated in a tatty blue plastic envelope (the so-called new blue book for a rediculous surcharge). The proper cloth-bound blue book is a historical document belonging to the boat, either to treasure or to impress foreign officials.
Re. name changing, there are many threads on the bad luck you will invoke by doing so. Do a search. Better still, keep the name she was born with.
(Sorry, it's a hobby-horse of mine. Rant over.)

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Well, I bought my boat 2 years ago, and re-registered under Part 1. I sent off the blue book as requested but with a polite accompanying letter asking for its return - absolutely no problem.
Your mileage night vary!

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Well, maybe they've seen the light and started behaving reasonably. Or maybe I was mislead at the start. I was requested along with thousands of others to send off my blue book and at the time, at least from other letters in the cruising press, it was said that "they" were reluctant to return it except under duress, and it was rumoured that even then it would be "defaced" to prevent it being used as a legal document. I have to confess that I just told them of my new address and never actually surrendered the precious book but I got a laminated certificate anyway.
The BB has (as you'll know) the name and address of every owner stamped on the back of it and, even though I'll never really get around to seeking them out one day, I'd like to keep the document intact just in case.
I now shell out £50 every 5 years to renew the certificate, I don't get anything other than a new bit of card in return, but at least I know there's no other boat out there officially called "Evadne" but mine.

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We are the only official 'Heartbeat' too. In Hayles at Yarmouth last weekend I saw there was a usurper 'Heartbeat' on their board of people who had skipped paying. This name pincher though was only 28ft, short on length if not on cheek. I wonder if I should ask the navy to help arrest him!

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Last year I needed to decide whether to re-register my new boat with an SSR registration or go for full part one registration. I went for part 1 AND changed the name at that time. No bad luck since (so far...!). Glad I did.

The advantages of part one are that, as a registered British Ship you have as close a statement of title as is avaliable in the UK (if you had £100 you could SSR register 10 boats in the UK without any requirement to demonstrate it really belonged to you). Part one requires you to be able to demonstrate ownership and bills of sale for the last 5 years.

You also have more sway in foreign ports i.e. an SSR boat can be impounded more easily (less repurcussions) when abroad than a boat registered as a British Ship.

Hope that helps

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