pikeyrm
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would like to register my new pageant but would like to know what is the main difference between 1 and 3 apart from £100 /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
part 1 or part 3
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Koeketiene
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Part I is proof of ownership.
Part III is just a cheap bit of laminated paper you can show foreigners.
Part I is usually required when taking out a marine mortgage. If you don't need one, I would go for Part III. Been good enough for me. I have a registered bill of sale to prove ownership.
Part III is just a cheap bit of laminated paper you can show foreigners.
Part I is usually required when taking out a marine mortgage. If you don't need one, I would go for Part III. Been good enough for me. I have a registered bill of sale to prove ownership.
pikeyrm
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the boat also has original birth cert. would i need this re stamped
Phoenix of Hamble
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Nope... but for part 1, you will need a proper bill of sale, and if you've not been part 1 registered before, all sorts of other hassles such as official measurement.... persoanlly, if its has part 1, i'd maintain it, but otherwise, part 3 is more than good enough....
pikeyrm
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so part 3 then is the best for me as no requirement for mortgage.
So part 3 will not stop me from doing anything other than mortgage, is this true?
So part 3 will not stop me from doing anything other than mortgage, is this true?
pikeyrm
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i believe it has been part 1 in the past
Ariadne
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If its been Part 1 in the past then keep it Part 1, its still only valid for 5 years but it does legally prove proof of title. SSR is accepted around europe but proves nothing accept the boat is registered.
When visiting foreign marinas, Part 1 is often better as it shows the registered length not the overall length. Every marina we've been in so far has accepted this as the length to charge us by. In our case we are registered under the magic 13m but our overall length is closer to 14m, this can be a big saving - better again if they work it out on reg' length & reg' beam. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
When visiting foreign marinas, Part 1 is often better as it shows the registered length not the overall length. Every marina we've been in so far has accepted this as the length to charge us by. In our case we are registered under the magic 13m but our overall length is closer to 14m, this can be a big saving - better again if they work it out on reg' length & reg' beam. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
bazobeleza
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Part III is just a cheap bit of laminated paper you can show foreigners.
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So is the new part 1, no more blue book I'm afraid, though they do send it back to you if youve allready got one. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Part III is just a cheap bit of laminated paper you can show foreigners.
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So is the new part 1, no more blue book I'm afraid, though they do send it back to you if youve allready got one. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
bazobeleza
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When visiting foreign marinas, Part 1 is often better as it shows the registered length not the overall length. Every marina we've been in so far has accepted this as the length to charge us by. In our case we are registered under the magic 13m but our overall length is closer to 14m, this can be a big saving - better again if they work it out on reg' length & reg' beam.
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Yes we've had the same good fortune, our reg length is 13.5m actual 16.6m
When visiting foreign marinas, Part 1 is often better as it shows the registered length not the overall length. Every marina we've been in so far has accepted this as the length to charge us by. In our case we are registered under the magic 13m but our overall length is closer to 14m, this can be a big saving - better again if they work it out on reg' length & reg' beam.
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Yes we've had the same good fortune, our reg length is 13.5m actual 16.6m
Billjratt
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Part one measures from the stem to the rudder post, so if you have counter overhang, you may win.
Part 3 will print more or less what you tell them, so it is better to minimalise rather than boast....
All the above in the interests of affordable berthing of course. (and somebody mentioned nav-lights on here recently)
Part 3 will print more or less what you tell them, so it is better to minimalise rather than boast....
All the above in the interests of affordable berthing of course. (and somebody mentioned nav-lights on here recently)
Leighb
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When visiting foreign marinas, Part 1 is often better as it shows the registered length not the overall length. Every marina we've been in so far has accepted this as the length to charge us by. In our case we are registered under the magic 13m but our overall length is closer to 14m, this can be a big saving - better again if they work it out on reg' length & reg' beam. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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This would have availed you not at all at Woolverstone MDL in Judy's day. She used to go out and measure yachts, and TOTAL overall length was what you would be charged for, nav lights O/B bracket, whatever. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif The same used to apply if you were on a swinging mooring where she would include the bowsprit in LOA, we argued that on a mooring this made no difference to the space the boat took up, but she would have none of that!
I don't know if the current manager applies the same criteria.
When visiting foreign marinas, Part 1 is often better as it shows the registered length not the overall length. Every marina we've been in so far has accepted this as the length to charge us by. In our case we are registered under the magic 13m but our overall length is closer to 14m, this can be a big saving - better again if they work it out on reg' length & reg' beam. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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This would have availed you not at all at Woolverstone MDL in Judy's day. She used to go out and measure yachts, and TOTAL overall length was what you would be charged for, nav lights O/B bracket, whatever. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif The same used to apply if you were on a swinging mooring where she would include the bowsprit in LOA, we argued that on a mooring this made no difference to the space the boat took up, but she would have none of that!
I don't know if the current manager applies the same criteria.
doug748
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So is the new part 1, no more blue book I'm afraid, though they do send it back to you if youve allready got one. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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......Unless you are lucky enough to be Guernsey registered. They still retain the blue book and have no plans to change (..yet).
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So is the new part 1, no more blue book I'm afraid, though they do send it back to you if youve allready got one. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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......Unless you are lucky enough to be Guernsey registered. They still retain the blue book and have no plans to change (..yet).
pikeyrm
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but if i register it less than 7m i cant fly the blue ensign.
(i am entitled)
(i am entitled)
absit_omen
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Contrary to what a couple of people have said, Pt 1 is NOT proof of ownership.
It is proof that the vessel has been entered on the Register should you wish to apply for a marine mortgage as described by the Registry below:
"Another reason for Part 1 registration is to use the ship as security to obtain a marine mortgage which in turn is registered. Ownership details are fully investigated."
Sounds pedantic but that is the fact.
There is a subtle difference.
It is proof that the vessel has been entered on the Register should you wish to apply for a marine mortgage as described by the Registry below:
"Another reason for Part 1 registration is to use the ship as security to obtain a marine mortgage which in turn is registered. Ownership details are fully investigated."
Sounds pedantic but that is the fact.
There is a subtle difference.
absit_omen
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fly the blue ensign
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Of course, you mean 'wear' it.
You need to remember these things if you are to join our elite club.
fly the blue ensign
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Of course, you mean 'wear' it.
You need to remember these things if you are to join our elite club.
Leighb
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I am afraid that if you are less than 7m then you cannot apply for a warrant, so if it is borderline you need to err on the generous side.
pikeyrm
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fly the blue ensign
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Of course, you mean 'wear' it.
You need to remember these things if you are to join our elite club.
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that is one area i do need to pay more attention too, i am trying trust me /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
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fly the blue ensign
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Of course, you mean 'wear' it.
You need to remember these things if you are to join our elite club.
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that is one area i do need to pay more attention too, i am trying trust me /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Searush
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For part 1 I believe you need to prove title thro ALL owners from new. If previously part 1, proof will have been provided from new to end of registration. Can you prove ownership and have all bills of sale for all transfers of ownership since registration lapsed? If not, you will have a lot of work to do before Part 1 will be granted.
In my club, one is required to be part 1 registered to wear the defaced blue, I assumed that it was a general requirement, but haven't checked.
In my club, one is required to be part 1 registered to wear the defaced blue, I assumed that it was a general requirement, but haven't checked.
Leighb
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In my club, one is required to be part 1 registered to wear the defaced blue, I assumed that it was a general requirement, but haven't checked.
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Doesn't have to be Part I, there are a number of conditions, some relating to the owner, but the boat must be British registered either Part I or SSR, and more than 7m in length, and not be in commercial ownership.
In my club, one is required to be part 1 registered to wear the defaced blue, I assumed that it was a general requirement, but haven't checked.
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Doesn't have to be Part I, there are a number of conditions, some relating to the owner, but the boat must be British registered either Part I or SSR, and more than 7m in length, and not be in commercial ownership.
Refueler
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Part I is proof of ownership.
Part III is just a cheap bit of laminated paper you can show foreigners.
Part I is usually required when taking out a marine mortgage. If you don't need one, I would go for Part III. Been good enough for me. I have a registered bill of sale to prove ownership.
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Arr now that's an interesting point but after checking with SSR some years ago - I was corrected.
The SSR states who is Registered Owner and therefore that and suitable ID can show you as actual owner.
But having SSR in your hand does not prove YOU are owner. Only if you are the stated person on the SSR and have proof of Identity.
Not my explanation - I only repeat what they told me. And if you look at the SSR you can see that. It's just typical legalglish wording that isn't immediately obvious.
Here's my SSR for Superanne. Under the title it says :
"This Certificate is not Proof of Legal Ownership" ... that's the 'in your possession document is not proof on it's own' bit.
But lower down the box clearly states Registered Ownership person.
The one fact that makes SSR a bit of joke is that anyone can register any boat literally without SSR checking details. So in effect I could register your boat !
Part I is proof of ownership.
Part III is just a cheap bit of laminated paper you can show foreigners.
Part I is usually required when taking out a marine mortgage. If you don't need one, I would go for Part III. Been good enough for me. I have a registered bill of sale to prove ownership.
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Arr now that's an interesting point but after checking with SSR some years ago - I was corrected.
The SSR states who is Registered Owner and therefore that and suitable ID can show you as actual owner.
But having SSR in your hand does not prove YOU are owner. Only if you are the stated person on the SSR and have proof of Identity.
Not my explanation - I only repeat what they told me. And if you look at the SSR you can see that. It's just typical legalglish wording that isn't immediately obvious.
Here's my SSR for Superanne. Under the title it says :
"This Certificate is not Proof of Legal Ownership" ... that's the 'in your possession document is not proof on it's own' bit.
But lower down the box clearly states Registered Ownership person.
The one fact that makes SSR a bit of joke is that anyone can register any boat literally without SSR checking details. So in effect I could register your boat !
