Overtaking on roundabouts.

[tcm]

er, well i don't think that is correct, but not to worry.

Since you are obv the boy racer in question - i should warmn your that the speed taxing device on lower thames street is getting cleverer as it catches people who tramp on the brakes and sppped up by being linked wit the next one, or summink, or that's what in sed in the papers...

 

[Aardee]

" mmm, I have a real problem with the advice that says that you should indicate right if intending to take exit 3. This is a recent invention and is responsible for so many people exiting a roundabout with their right indicator flashing away!"

I passed my test at 17 & am now 39. I was definitely taught to indicate right if taking the 3rd exit on a r'about...depends on your idea of recent.

Graham.

 

[BrendanS]

Re: Overtaking on roundabouts - help for Bottle-of-Rum

My favourite roundabout trick is for those roundabouts in rush hour where left turn is major exit, and the left lane is backed up for a mile or more. You just drive down the empty right lane, round the roundabout, and beat a mile or more of queue <g>

 

[KevB]

Of course you can turn right onto a roundabout. Driving up a slip road coming off a motorway will more often than not have a roundabout to the right rather tha straight ahead, and another example is at the bottom of Bendens url link (magicroundabout)

 

[AJW]

Re: Overtaking on roundabouts - help for Bottle-of-Rum

Oh yes, used to do that all the time and always surprised that more don't.

I now live where there are no roundabouts at all and few traffic jams. The daily commute is so much more relaxing! However after 4 mths here in Canada I fly back to LHR for a week Fri AM & pick up a hire car to drive up North. So I'm sure it will all come flooding back to me. Memo to self, must remember to drive on the left..... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[cameronke]

Re: Overtaking on roundabouts - help for Bottle-of-Rum

Sssh Brendan!

Dont want everyone to know that one. Great way to get off the M8000 to Port Edgar for Wed night racing.

Cameron

 

[Howardnp]

Having had this argument with my son who passed his test more recently than me and reckons (probably quite rightly) that I would fail he says:

To determine whether you take the inside or outside lanes on a roundabout when going straight on you should take notice of the roundabout sign. If the sign shows roads at 6 and 12 o clock..straight across in effect, then to go straight on you stay in the outside (left) lane on the roundabout. Anything passed 12 oclock you get in the right hand lane.

Seems reasonable to me and that was borne out by a minibus test I took to drive school kids around.. examiner was impressed when I did just as I've described above but was less impressed when I backed it into a wall in the playground.. no damage so passed!! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[bob_tyler]

Graham, I completely agree with you.

A vehicle going straight on the roundabout should make no signal until opposite Exit 1. At that point signal left and cancel as you enter the Exit 2.

A vehicle intending to go out at Exit 3 should start indicating right on approach to the roundabout and switch to indicating left when crossing Exit 2. The advantage of this is that, where the road width permits, a vehicle coming out from Exit 1 (as you see it) can, in many cases pull round into Exit 2 without interfering with you, the right turner, so doubling the road capacity. This has to be done with care and only on larger r'bouts.

I 100% agree with Brendan's favourite trick and use it frequently - don't follow the sheep. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[halcyon]

This problem was sorted years ago.
If taking the first exit of island take LH lane.
If taking 2nd, 3rd, 4th exit, take RH lane, at exit before the one you want, indicate left and move into to LH lane and exit island.
Simple or what !!.

This is a bit like a col regs question, everyone now has there own interpretation of the rules, and sails to suit.

But beware in Cornwall they have totally differant rules, and you take the most convenient route. The Police are getting most upset in the next village to ours, they have a mini island, and go round anti-clockwise one route as you can straight line it.

Brian

 

[bob_tyler]

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Brian,

But beware in Cornwall they have totally differant rules, and you take the most convenient route. The Police are getting most upset in the next village to ours, they have a mini island, and go round anti-clockwise one route as you can straight line it.[ QUOTE ]


That one's there to catch the Emetts from the Midlands out! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[LORDNELSON]

"opinions to keep me sane please" this whole correspondence is extremely boring and maddening to someone who has logged on to see what is being discussed that is interesting to people who sail boats. I expect there is a forum for car drivers, why do you not all go there?

 

[oilyrag]

The subject of indicating on approach to roundabouts is not really open to debate - extract from current Highway Code (which is the same as when I took my test in 1972):

Signals and position, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise.
When taking the first exit

* signal left and approach in the left-hand lane
* keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave.

When taking any intermediate exit

* select the appropriate lane on approach to and on the roundabout, signalling as necessary
* stay in this lane until you need to alter course to exit the roundabout
* signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.

When taking the last exit or going full circle

* signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
* keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
* signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.

When there are more than three lanes at the entrance to a roundabout, use the most appropriate lane on approach and through it.

 

[JAYEL]

Sailing helps me de-stress from my professional job as Driving Examiner, so I feel well suited to give an opinion on this subject. Going ahead from lane 1 or lane 2 is OK, so long as faster car driver makes effective use of the mirrors, particulaly the nearside one as he/she exits into the single lane exit road. Generally I find that following drivers do not try it on at roundabouts unless hesitancy in emerging drivers is causing unneccessary queues, or they have just had enough of your lack of progress in the preceeding miles. Perhaps if drivers in general started looking into the roundabout a bit earlier and regulated the approach to coincide with the gaps on the roundabout we would all get home sooner.
The white circle at mini-roundabouts is not sacred ground, its there to tell you to give way to the right. Larger vehicles all have to use the white circle and if it is visually an open junction, the circle is flat, why slow and drive round it? Making good progress is the name of the game!
Happy motoring!

 

[ex-Gladys]

...as an advanced motorcyclist, I can tell you that providing you do not endanger or cause another vehicle to have to react, approaching in RH lane to go straight on is "required" to "make good progress". It is a little more complex than that sounds, involving appropriate observation over left and right and left shoulders as necessary... As said somewhere else in her, roundabouts are ideal opportunities for legitimate "overtaking".

If an IAM/RoSPA test candidate did not do it within the constraints stated above they would get marked down on "lack of good progress".

If you want to see how it should really be done try to watch the Met Special Escort Group (their beemer RT1150's have reg no.s ending SED) "making progress" in central London.

As one Advanced Tester says "It's not how fast you ride but how you ride fast"

 

[Col]

look for the

(non boaty)tag at the start of the thread.........If you see it; Don't open the thread.........Simple eh?

 

[Lakesailor]

Well: This thread answers the question posted doesn't it?
No-one has the faintest idea what's right or can agree.
A totally diverse range of opinions.
No wonder roundabouts are chaos.

 

[cameronke]

Hey its just like our good 'ol col regs debates without having to get wet!

Regards
Cameron

 

[barrie502]

"No-one has the faintest idea what's right or can agree."

If you read the posts you can see that a consenus has emerged among the professional drivers/instructors.

Left lane for exits before "12 o'clock" of your entrance lane

Left or right for exits at 12

Right for exits beyond 12

You CAN drive over the hump of a mini roundabout

It may be seen of evidence of careless drving to pass on the left unless you can show you are in lanes of slower moving traffic. This includes one way streets and one way lanes as on motorways. I accept that this is a matter of fact and must be decided on prevailing conditions.

Passing on the right is fine, even on a roundabout, providing the usual issues of care are minded

 

[claymore]

OK
I've read the whole thread and people are getting into the Highway code - apart of course for TCM who wrote his own some time ago.
You are talking about the selfish twats who seem to think they are going to gain loads by getting past you at the actual roundabout then don't seem to be aware of just how much they piss you off when they have to swerve in front of you because there isn't anywhere else to go.
Stuff the highway code - they are selfish inconsiderate pillocks who really need shagging with the blunt end of a rag-mans trumpet.
It happens to me every evening on the way home.
Arseholes all.

 

[bumblefish]

I drive a very old Volvo, so I am in the correct lane and if you want to argue, your problem!