Outboard woes

Tremyporth said:
Oh my. Is'nt this a wonderful niggly thread. Really lightens the evening up to read this sort of stuff. I like the fisherman, but nobody else seems to have commented on him.
Maybe it is thread drift, but I have to add my tuppence worth of niggle in response to Ash 2020's belief that red diesel in UK was subsidised. My memory of the distant past leads me to believe that it was not, in spite of the story promoted by some in order to justify an increase in indirect taxation.
Instead, I believe fuel for road vehicles used to carry a financial surcharge, intended to offset the cost of repairing roads. I think that may have been called “road fuel excise duty” way back in the days when garages had fuel pumps labelled “derv”.
At some time, maybe in the seventies or eighties, a former government decided to simplify the taxation system, and changed the excise duty surcharge into a higher rate of VAT on road vehicle fuel compared to other fuels.
I am open to correction on this if anyone has proof to the contrary, but I believe road fuel carried a financial surcharge, rather than red diesel being subsidised. So now we all pay road tax on off-road fuel.
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Basically correct ..

The base price for Gasoil - (the correct name for Diesel) is xx ... apply a small govt tax and you get 'Red Diesel' ... but Govt would like more - so they split off the rest with a higher rate of tax.... one of course - the DERV as it was called : Diesel Engine Road Vehicle.

Watercraft were not only machines that could use Red Diesel ... we all know about Farm Machinery - but it also extended to other machinery and even vehicles that were classed to allow use of Red.... based on the work they did.
 
billskip said:
Attention seekers Refueler, ignore them.
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I wouldn't mind so much if he didn't keep twisting words to suit his stance... such as falsely saying I claimed Thinwaters research as mine - then later saying I claimed to contribute to it !

Oh well .. takes all sorts ....

At least its been entertaining for others ... brightens up a dull day sorting out another number of ships carrying fuels for such needy consumers .. ;)
 
They’re your words, I’m not twisting them I’m quoting them. Each time you respond like an angry toddler stamping his feet with his fingers in his ears. Not once have you replied with any substance.
So no apology then, I guess since you clearly don’t understand what you’ve been saying. Hopefully the nurse will be back soon.
 
lustyd said:
They’re your words, I’m not twisting them I’m quoting them. Each time you respond like an angry toddler stamping his feet with his fingers in his ears. Not once have you replied with any substance.
So no apology then, I guess since you clearly don’t understand what you’ve been saying. Hopefully the nurse will be back soon.
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Following your usual trend, belittling, insulting....
 
So, the final conclusion for the sane among us, is that Thinwater and I were correct as his research confirms. There was no evidence put forward suggesting otherwise (can’t say I didn’t try), so E5 better than E10 as it has less ethanol and therefore attracts less water. No sensible reason to drain a 4 stroke carb as it makes corrosion worse by letting air and water in. Carbs, as almost all metals, can and do corrode and if you find white powder inside this is the likely reason. It can take as little as a couple of weeks.
 
lustyd said:
No sensible reason to drain a 4 stroke carb as it makes corrosion worse by letting air and water in. Carbs, as almost all metals, can and do corrode and if you find white powder inside this is the likely reason. It can take as little as a couple of weeks.
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Umhh? This is entirely contrary to my experience. I don't see any way of excluding the evaporation of fuel in the bowl over a period of time, unless one actually hermatically sealed the carburettor. It's designed to allow the transit of air through 2 apertures, and the carb bowl will always be open to the atmosphere through the needle valve opening, unless one primes the motor to close the needle valve, after having stopped it?
Is that the correct procedure?
Draining the carburettor will remove the water content present in the E10/E5 fuels, as there's none of that remaining; it's been removed. The air is at no greater a concentration than with the carb filled to the point where the needle valve operates, or when it's drained. What has happened though, is that the liquid carrying the 'stuff' that blocks the jet has been removed, along with the problem of stale fuel in the carb.
I've never seen corrosion on the inside of a carburettor, nor on the outside of a properly maintained unit actually.....
I've 3 outboards; Honda 2.3, Tohatsu 3.5 (2T) and a Tohatsu 6hp which all require the carb to be emptied.
I've no doubt that lustyd is sincere in his assertion that his outboards are better for having the fuel left in.
 
jamie N said:
Umhh? This is entirely contrary to my experience. I don't see any way of excluding the evaporation of fuel in the bowl over a period of time, unless one actually hermatically sealed the carburettor. It's designed to allow the transit of air through 2 apertures, and the carb bowl will always be open to the atmosphere through the needle valve opening, unless one primes the motor to close the needle valve, after having stopped it?
Is that the correct procedure?
Draining the carburettor will remove the water content present in the E10/E5 fuels, as there's none of that remaining; it's been removed. The air is at no greater a concentration than with the carb filled to the point where the needle valve operates, or when it's drained. What has happened though, is that the liquid carrying the 'stuff' that blocks the jet has been removed, along with the problem of stale fuel in the carb.
I've never seen corrosion on the inside of a carburettor, nor on the outside of a properly maintained unit actually.....
I've 3 outboards; Honda 2.3, Tohatsu 3.5 (2T) and a Tohatsu 6hp which all require the carb to be emptied.
I've no doubt that lustyd is sincere in his assertion that his outboards are better for having the fuel left in.
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OOP'S ... that you of his Xmas Card list !! :eek:
 
jamie N said:
don't see any way of excluding the evaporation of fuel in the bowl over a period of time
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Yes, the key there is over time. If you’re laying it up then it might make sense, but for a week it would do way more harm than good.
 
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