Ooops seem to have ended up in the Sunseeker sales office....

[MapisM]

Funnily the Hattan 56 from 2000-2006/7 is just about the only Sunseeker I'd be tempted to buy. I rather like the styling and layout (integrated crew accommodation is a big plus)

If by integrated crew accommodation you mean the mid boat crew cabin accessible from the galley, that's actually a very common design at that size, and for boats designed before the full beam master cabin became de rigueur - which btw I still think that takes way too much space for what it's worth, in sub-60' boats, but that's me of course.
In fact, you can find it in the Sq58, several Ferrettis (53, 165/55, 175/60, 57), Raffaelli Maestrale, Dalla Pietà 55/56, Uniesse 55, to name but a few.
I guess that some of these builders/models might not ring a bell outside IT, but that's just to say it wasn't something specific of the Hattan 56.
The hilo platform was instead, as N mentioned - but I fully agree with him also on the drawbacks.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

and for boats designed before the full beam master cabin became de rigueur - which btw I still think that takes way too much space for what it's worth, in sub-60' boats, but that's me of course..

Yeah but your opinion doesn't count for anything on this matter. It is your SWMBO who decides whether a midships master cabin is worth having

 

[petem]

That's probably not going to help with confidence at the Fairline plant, I could easily be talked into one of them...

I suppose its OK if you like IPS drives .

 

[Portofino]

I suppose its OK if you like IPS drives .

It's also Ok if you like shafts ---- buyer can choose Click "technical specs"
http://www.sunseekerlondon.com/range/manhattan/launching-soon-manhattan-52#page/RangeModelOverview

 

[petem]

It's also Ok if you like shafts ---- buyer can choose Click "technical specs"
http://www.sunseekerlondon.com/range/manhattan/launching-soon-manhattan-52#page/RangeModelOverview

Drat! Does that mean Z Drives to keep the engines in the same place?

Looking that the pictures (and there's more here), they've certainly though of everything. I'm not sure about the stern BBQ but I like the foredeck and saloon arrangements.

 

[MapisM]

Yeah but your opinion doesn't count for anything on this matter. It is your SWMBO who decides whether a midships master cabin is worth having

How true.
Though I guess I can consider myself lucky in this respect, 'cause SWMBO agrees that
a) build quality is among our top priorities - not that our boat has anything wrong in this respect, but timber maintenance is demanding no matter how solid the boat is, and we expect/hope that a strongly and well built plastic boat should withstand our abuses better without complaining a lot.
b) the very few 55' or so boats (I'm talking up to mid of the last decade) with mid cabin, which is obviously something she likes in principle, leave a lot to be desired in terms of build quality and overall space optimization, so she eventually agreed to cross them out from our short list.
Result! :encouragement:

 

[MapisM]

Drat! Does that mean Z Drives to keep the engines in the same place?

Exactly in the same place and with the same orientation, that would be quite simply impossible.
They might have kept the engines far astern, if that's the proper position in terms of weight distribution, but turned the other way round and connected to V-drives.

 

[Portofino]

Drat! Does that mean Z Drives to keep the engines in the same place?

Looking that the pictures (and there's more here), they've certainly though of everything. I'm not sure about the stern BBQ but I like the foredeck and saloon arrangements.

Yeh , that BBQ is an option where does the grease run when you close it ,and can you close if (hot ) emergency bug out ?
Have you noticed the two hatches Port and Sbd .Stb opens up hinges at the top ,port has hinges at the bottom .
Presume one is crew access ? Which one ?

Like the idea of the drop down bench some ware instantly soft /comfy to sit on the B platform .

Like the idea of the optional fwd table on the bow

Like the drop down window near the rear positioned gally so to make it more outside /bar area -drink and food prep etc after a swim .
I wonder if they (designers) have a owners forum to gather feedback on what folks want ?
Or wonder around boat shows copying other q,s from competitors
Or are just "original "
Anyhow interesting to see the direction of design in new releases

 

[Portofino]

Exactly in the same place and with the same orientation, that would be quite simply impossible.
They might have kept the engines far astern, if that's the proper position in terms of weight distribution, but turned the other way round and connected to V-drives.

Depends if the IPS pods have jack shafts .If so then as you say just turn around engines and use V drive gearboxes .
Weight says in the same place more/less .

More kinda worrying for me is the hull Profile -deadrise here -- rear 1/3 rd
I think flatter for pods -less Hp they need more lift that flatter aft sections give
If same hull profile for shafts low ish deadrise then it may be a slammer in a headsea ?

The deeper the V = less lift = more Hp , bigger engines more weight ,need more space bigger E room less accommodation .
Flatter aft sections = smaller engines ,less weight , smaller E room -more accommodation for SWIMBO

I wonder which way thay have gone ? Or is it a compromise average sea keeping ---wait and see !

 

[petem]

Have you noticed the two hatches Port and Sbd .Stb opens up hinges at the top ,port has hinges at the bottom .
Presume one is crew access ? Which one ?

The port hatch is for the crew cabin, the s'board one opens up to make a shower (there's a pic of it here http://www.sunseeker.com/yacht/manhattan-52/).

Agree, there is a danger that everyone will adopt all the same ideas and layouts (the Sealine 530 is similar in lots of ways).

 

[petem]

I wonder which way thay have gone ? Or is it a compromise average sea keeping ---wait and see !

I'd be very surprised if the same hull can be made to work WELL for both propulsion types. still, there's nothing to stop them having two versions of the hull designed accordingly.

 

[petem]

Lots of sharp corners too.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Exactly in the same place and with the same orientation, that would be quite simply impossible.
They might have kept the engines far astern, if that's the proper position in terms of weight distribution, but turned the other way round and connected to V-drives.

Except the layout plan on the Sunseeker website seems to suggest straight shafts rather than V drives which is surprising in a 52ft boat with a midships master cabin.

 

[Anders_P42]

Except the layout plan on the Sunseeker website seems to suggest straight shafts rather than V drives which is surprising in a 52ft boat with a midships master cabin.

She's 56' 5" though. Princess manage decent full beam master on P52 without v drives.

 

[Whitelighter]

She's 56' 5" though. Princess manage decent full beam master on P52 without v drives.

Which is 54' 8"

 

[Due South]

She's 56' 5" though. Princess manage decent full beam master on P52 without v drives.

My '06 manhattan 50 has straight conventional shafts, IMHO the full beam master cabin isn't compromised. I can see some of the DNA of the 10yr old 50 in the new 52.

 

[Anders_P42]

Which is 54' 8"

Exactly, the Sunseeker is longer.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

She's 56' 5" though. Princess manage decent full beam master on P52 without v drives.

Yeah but these days a lot of that LOA is a hi/lo platform so in reality it is at best a 52 footer

 

[Anders_P42]

Yeah but these days a lot of that LOA is a hi/lo platform so in reality it is at best a 52 footer

true enough. Must be why they call it a M52

 

[MapisM]

Except the layout plan on the Sunseeker website seems to suggest straight shafts rather than V drives which is surprising in a 52ft boat with a midships master cabin.

Where did you see such layout? The only one I found shows a blank space in the e/r, and from that it's impossible to tell anything about engines+transmissions setup.

As an aside, am I alone in hating with a passion the trend towards flashy website with full image pics, where looking for what you are interested in becomes an exercise in guessing what the web designer had in mind after his daily cocaine fix?
Give me back straight websites with menus aimed at making life easier rather than impressing, anytime.
Aaarumph! :disgust: