Er, nope. It's largely hypertension, lipids, smoking before diet comes in.
Onboard Defibrillator
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Bad news: M2M is not always considered needed now. Just massage. Which might be OK I guess?
The issue is that someone has an infarct and goes into VF- a shockable rhythm. You shock them out of it. Great! They MIGHT survive from there on in. Some did in the days before re-vascularisation (i.e. stenting) but you really do need then to be in an acute hospital asap for stent insertion. Being on a yacht halfway to Cherbourg is not good. BTW, last time I checked (which was c 8 years ago) they weren't able to offer such a service on Newport IOW; you need to get airlifted to Soton Gen. I'd like to see some real figures. They may not have been collectedd I guess. I suppose that if one spends c5% of one's time during a year, on a boat, the likelihood of being afloat when an attack strikes is, well, c 5%.
I wonder if they might also shock the user!???
Stemar
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That's why they tell you to stand back before they zap the patient!
grumpy_o_g
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It occurs to me that this would be a good subject for the mods to take note of and maybe do an article on. Get a cardiologist who actually sails his or herself to give their professional opinion, look at how quickly someone could be recovered from the various parts of the more common sailing areas, look at what defibs are available, there limitations on a boat, what other first aid is available, etc.
Agree; for there may well be wee wee there but seawater? One hopes not except back in the days when Haslar was still working
mjcoon
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Yes, don't dangle your gold necklace...
AntarcticPilot
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Wet Oilskins?
Zing
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Oh yes it is. Essentially.
Elevated problematic lipids and hypertension are not causes, they are markers of disease and are mainly caused by diet.
Sure, smoking is a factor, as are alcohol, drugs, infection,pollution, toxins, stress and others too.
Heart attack was an extremely rare cause of death for those lucky enough to live to be over 50 in the late 1800s. Not so now. It is the number one killer and its incidence has relentlessly gone up in spite of reduced smoking and pollution and all the best health advice we are given.
Or anything else. Pfnur-pfnur.
Juan Twothree
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Not a problem as long as the patient isn't actually laying in a pool of water.
You need to dry the chest first, but that's just so that the pads stick.
lustyd
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The sad thing is that nobody actually knows. The medical community are so unwilling to admit a lack of understanding that we're probably hundreds of years behind where we could have been. The vast majority of the population believe the heart is a pump making blood flow around the body, while any plumber could demonstrate why that can't be the case so the masses are clearly not qualified or educated enough to debate such topics in the first place. The sheer quantity of "information" is ridiculous, and all of it is contradictory so by definition the vast majority of information on the subject is incorrect. There's a great book, "Black box thinking" comparing medicine to aerospace and the contrast is stark. Aeroplanes are extremely safe because ego was taken out of that system decades ago and mistakes are considered facts to be investigated. To those bickering about causes above, I suggest reading the book.
Stemar
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Aeroplanes also tend not to have a load of people arguing the aerodynamics and structural engineering don't exist or are government conspiracies.
lustyd
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Not sure what your point is, but you probably need to read the book judging by that response.
Zing
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Oh yes it is. Mortality is a different issue, which I did not refer to. It is improving thanks to the wonders of stents, by-pass operations, drugs and excellent emergency care. The underlying condition is worsening. It is not getting better, which was my point:
Heart & Circulatory Disease Statistics 2020
lustyd
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Of course, some might say that these medieval techniques are diverting attention away from finding better options. Until the medical community evolves away from the knife being option 1 we'll make no progress at all. We could also do with moving away from the idea that more days on the planet is the ultimate goal, rather than more life.
Stemar
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I don't disagree, but those medieval techniques saved my life and gave me both more life and more days. They told my wife, "He isn't well enough to operate, and he may not survive, but if we don't he certainly won't survive."
Spoiler: He survived to sail again - and end up buying another project, which goes to show that open heart surgery does nothing for one's common sense, or lack thereof
Spoiler: He survived to sail again - and end up buying another project, which goes to show that open heart surgery does nothing for one's common sense, or lack thereof
Chris_Robb
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In the process of selling my Oceanlord - Heart issues for the electrical department: Ventricle Arrhythmias - VTs etc - Had one Ventricular Ablation, partially successful and about to have another at Harefield.
Her in Doors wont let me sail in Greece anymore - so the inevitable result - so deciding to quick before I am a statistic. Oh joy - no more dealing with the bloody AADE in Greece!