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FlowerPower said:
S34 with D4’s at Gosport?

https://www.clippermarine.co.uk/boat-for-sale/Sealine-S34-FOR-SALE-7049192.html
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Thanks Flower Power, I have looked over this boat and she is in lovely condition. Still procrastinating on the AD41 boat or the Gosport one with D4's.
The parts prices for the D4 look horrendous compared to the older Volvos. £400-£700 per injector, £6000 fuel pump, £3500-£4000 ecu, £1750 per duo bronze propellers. £3000 for full service. These are all prices I have recently researched after viewing the boat.
How do they justify these prices, most can't be that different from car parts?

If I can get the price down to an amount that would leave me plenty of buffer money for any future major repairs then it maybe worth more consideration.

Somebody will come along soon to say stop dithering and there isn't a boat out there that will tick all the boxes.
I had the same attitude when i bought my first boat which after a years search, I finally found the right boat which I then used for the next 6 years before selling.
 
Obv the prices above are eye-watering but I can't really see that any of those parts can't be repaired rather than replaced if the need arose. For example a pair of props will need severe battering to need replacement rather than repair. ECUs can all be repaired, and you can learn to service the engines yourself, it's not hard. You could always buy new, but the depreciation is a huge cost that is impossible to avoid.
 
russ said:
Thanks Flower Power, I have looked over this boat and she is in lovely condition. Still procrastinating on the AD41 boat or the Gosport one with D4's.
The parts prices for the D4 look horrendous compared to the older Volvos. £400-£700 per injector, £6000 fuel pump, £3500-£4000 ecu, £1750 per duo bronze propellers. £3000 for full service. These are all prices I have recently researched after viewing the boat.
How do they justify these prices, most can't be that different from car parts?

If I can get the price down to an amount that would leave me plenty of buffer money for any future major repairs then it maybe worth more consideration.

Somebody will come along soon to say stop dithering and there isn't a boat out there that will tick all the boxes.
I had the same attitude when i bought my first boat which after a years search, I finally found the right boat which I then used for the next 6 years before selling.
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Parts prices are horrendous, and if you do break a piston, it's a new short block.
But I haven't had to replace any of those parts, and basic servicing is straightforward.

Fuel economy is ok, considering the size of the boat, there is no smoke, and the engines are smooth and easy to start.
Electronic gear shift = Mrs FP or Mini FP can also drive the boat without gorilla arms.
My 10 year old propellors are still mostly propellor shaped.
Latest generation of steering rams seem reliable.
D4's are pretty reliable - it's just that in the unlikely event that something does go seriously wrong, it can be a wallet shrinking experience.

D4-225 is a comparatively low powered version without the supercharger - 3.7L producing 225hp is not exactly stressing the block.

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russ said:
Thanks Flower Power, I have looked over this boat and she is in lovely condition. Still procrastinating on the AD41 boat or the Gosport one with D4's.
The parts prices for the D4 look horrendous compared to the older Volvos. £400-£700 per injector, £6000 fuel pump, £3500-£4000 ecu, £1750 per duo bronze propellers. £3000 for full service. These are all prices I have recently researched after viewing the boat.
How do they justify these prices, most can't be that different from car parts?

If I can get the price down to an amount that would leave me plenty of buffer money for any future major repairs then it maybe worth more consideration.

Somebody will come along soon to say stop dithering and there isn't a boat out there that will tick all the boxes.
I had the same attitude when i bought my first boat which after a years search, I finally found the right boat which I then used for the next 6 years before selling.
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Those prices are mostly correct, but I'm not sure where your 3k for a service has come from, I have a d4 260 and an engine service comes in nowhere near that, it's probably more like 750 ish.

But I agree with the sentiment that a lot of d series parts price are through the roof.
 
markc said:
ECUs can all be repaired, .
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Most PCBs with surface mounted components simply cannot be repaired,frequently encapsulated, its either a new, or if you are very very lucky and if you can find one, secondhand unit.
Hens teeth come to mind.
Unlike auto ECUs, there is not a bunch of companies, with a large pile of P/X black boxes sitting on their benches fighting for your business.
Chum of mine with a P46 had problems with engines going into limp mode.Several folks in Marjorca over season or two had a pop at it.
It was solved eventually by a UK company doing something to the ECU, took ages to finally sort it.
 
What the F!
As discussed face to face with the broker. I would wait for a week for the full price of repair costs before they give me their final asking price and only to told it was now under offer.

BROKERS!!!
 
russ said:
What the F!
As discussed face to face with the broker. I would wait for a week for the full price of repair costs before they give me their final asking price and only to told it was now under offer.

BROKERS!!!
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Sorry to hear this.....but I can also see the brokers position, whereby he gets another buyer who’s willing to put down a deposit.......business is business, I’m afraid!
 
AllanG said:
Sorry to hear this.....but I can also see the brokers position, whereby he gets another buyer who’s willing to put down a deposit.......business is business, I’m afraid!
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From reading an earlier post the broker was going to give Russ a price for the boat in a merchantable condition as the buy in survey highlights many faults , about5 log workbefore the boat was deemed reliable, looks to me like another buyer pitched up and took it’s is .
If that’s the case then good luck to them .
Russ I’d wait until your completely happy when you find another .
 
russ said:
What the F!
As discussed face to face with the broker. I would wait for a week for the full price of repair costs before they give me their final asking price and only to told it was now under offer.

BROKERS!!!
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I feel your pain, something similar happened to me a couple of boats ago. Agreed the price, arranged survey but no deposit paid by me, some chap rocked up with a suitcase of cash, no survey and I lost out.

With my current boat I did the opposite. Having been looking for a while I knew that what I was looking for was rare so when one came up that looked good on paper, and via lots of pics, I paid £10k holding deposit before viewing (the boat was abroad). It was a bit of a risk but I didn't want to get beaten to the boat. Everything turned out fine. I do think that if the boat is good and opportunities are rare, then you need to demonstrate to the broker & vendor that you're happy to to 'perform' - show that you're obligated, and get them obligated, even if it's £500 holding deposit.
 
Seems like you should have left depo subject to unless of course the broker did not want to limit his market.
Unfortunately the season is now rolling in for UK boating.
Seem like ready to go Saliners in short supply. Have a look at Cranchi equivilent
 
russ said:
What the F!
As discussed face to face with the broker. I would wait for a week for the full price of repair costs before they give me their final asking price and only to told it was now under offer.

BROKERS!!!
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you can hardly blame the broker for making a sale.

You had your chance, you thought they were taking the micky and someone else didn't. Now you are going to rant about the broker.
 
Whitelighter said:
you can hardly blame the broker for making a sale.

You had your chance, you thought they were taking the micky and someone else didn't. Now you are going to rant about the broker.
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Correct.
I was there to look over the boat whilst still owned by the previous owner, I was present at the survey, I was there the weekend after to talk over a deal. I offered a deposit but was told to wait until they get an invoice for the work. I also requested first refusal once done but the brokers in the office obviously don't communicate with each other. I agree I wasn't keen on the £5k extra but was willing to discuss this after the work done. What more could I do?
 
russ said:
Correct.
I was there to look over the boat whilst still owned by the previous owner, I was present at the survey, I was there the weekend after to talk over a deal. I offered a deposit but was told to wait until they get an invoice for the work. I also requested first refusal once done but the brokers in the office obviously don't communicate with each other. I agree I wasn't keen on the £5k extra but was willing to discuss this after the work done. What more could I do?
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What more can you do...…. How about what the person they sold it to Did.

When I bought my Sealine S24 last year I realised that most of the stuff people on here told you to do prior to a Purchase was just theory and if I wanted the boat I just had to buy it. Many people will just rock up with cash and buy if from under your nose without all the faffing that many on here advise.

You can faff and that might be the way to go but in the end if you want a Boat you need to Just Buy one
 
Russ, there were plenty of S34's built and a good one will come up sooner or later. Just try and build a bit of a rapport with the dealers most likely to take one on and don't take your foot off the pedal and wait until next Spring. In my opinion, the best boats change hands in the Autumn.
 
russ said:
Fed up with brokers mis-representing a boat, fed up with three surveys showing too many faults that were uneconomic to deal on, fed up with a broker raising the price, fed up with a broker not replying to questions or producing documents. The list goes on.

I don't think its unreasonable to want a well looked after clean boat at a sensible price. If that means being choosy, then so be it.
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Buy Dustywings Riva - its a smashing boat and a steal.
 
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