Norwegian frigate - whoops!

[alant]

Not one of ours this time.

https://defence-blog.com/news/norway-frigate-collides-with-oil-tanker-in-fjord.html

 

[A1Sailor]

Re: Whoops!

Not one of ours this time.

https://defence-blog.com/news/norway-frigate-collides-with-oil-tanker-in-fjord.html

Why "this time"?
When was the last major collision between a UK surface warship and another ship?

 

[chriss999]

Re: Whoops!

It is mostly the yanks that crash their warships.
We prefer reefs.

 

[Tomahawk]

Re: Whoops!

And marked sandbanks when dirving boats.

 

[A1Sailor]

Re: Whoops!

Yup. HMS Nottingham came off second best when she encountered Australia in 2002...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2349449.stm

Here she is on her journey home:

 

[Seajet]

Re: Whoops!

Presumably if this Norwegian accident hadn't happened in a fjord the frigate would have sunk - probably rather an expensive rebuild coming up though. :ambivalence:

 

[awol]

Norwegian Colregs

It's not only the US 7th Fleet that has problems with their fast, maneuverable, heavily manned, highly instrumented warships bumping into slow, heavy merchant ships. The Norwegians have been at it as well.

I love the quote in a BBC article - " because the tanker was "slow, heavy and much larger", it was the warship's responsibility to move around it."

 

[JumbleDuck]

Re: Norwegian Colregs

I love the quote in a BBC article - " because the tanker was "slow, heavy and much larger", it was the warship's responsibility to move around it."

A clumsy way to say "restricted in its ability to manoeuvre", but the principle's OK, isn't it?

 

[PilotWolf]

Re: Norwegian Colregs

A clumsy way to say "restricted in its ability to manoeuvre", but the principle's OK, isn't it?

Overtaking vessel? Constrained by drought?

W.

 

[XDC]

Re: Norwegian Colregs

Overtaking vessel? Constrained by drought?

W.

Is that why it’s aground?

 

[pagoda]

Re: Norwegian Colregs

Is that why it’s aground?

He was taking on water and ran her aground to avoid sinking...

Norwegians aren't wonderful on Colregs as far as I have observed . Commercial OK, the rest ... not really...

 

[oldharry]

Re: Norwegian Colregs

Overtaking vessel? Constrained by drought?

W.

I think being constrained by drought only happens on the canals, doesnt it? Not seen it at sea before

 

[PilotWolf]

Re: Norwegian Colregs

Is that why it’s aground?

I meant the merchant vessel but I think be aground is the warships best option!

W.

 

[Frank Holden]

Re: Norwegian Colregs

Hmmmm.... outbound tanker in the outbound traffic stream finds inbound warship impaled on its bow.... warship with hole on starboard side...... https://gcaptain.com/video-ais-animation-shows-collision-between-oil-tanker-and-norwegian-frigate/

Looks like the bridge team on Vestbris got a bit of a fright....

 

[Kukri]

Re: Norwegian Colregs

Thanks Frank.

Why do NATO warships, designed with tiny radar profiles, persist in steaming around with their AIS off, in peacetime, in areas with heavy commercial traffic?

 

[knuterikt]

Re: Norwegian Colregs

This happened in a VTS sone close to an oil terminal.
The frigate 17 knots, tanker 6 knots on close to head on course.
Starboard anchor on the tanker ripped open the hull outside the engine room on starboard side of the frigate.
Observers claim the frigate was dark.
The tanker saw the frigate 3 minutes before impact and the pilot tried to contact the oncoming vessel.
One minute before impact they had radio contact but the frigate could or would not change course...
Happened around the time watch crew on the bridge was changed on the frigate..

 

[Frank Holden]

Re: Norwegian Colregs

This happened in a VTS sone close to an oil terminal.
The frigate 17 knots, tanker 6 knots on close to head on course.
Starboard anchor on the tanker ripped open the hull outside the engine room on starboard side of the frigate.
Observers claim the frigate was dark.
The tanker saw the frigate 3 minutes before impact and the pilot tried to contact the oncoming vessel.
One minute before impact they had radio contact but the frigate could or would not change course...
Happened around the time watch crew on the bridge was changed on the frigate..

Ah... the good old 'change of watch in a difficult situation' scenario.... shades of HMS Brazen....

 

[prv]

Re: Norwegian Colregs

A clumsy way to say "restricted in its ability to manoeuvre", but the principle's OK, isn't it?

I'm wary of unleashing a wave of Colreg pedantry, but the word is in the thread title so it's probably inevitable

You can only be RAM due to "the nature of [your] work". The examples in the regs aren't exhaustive, but except perhaps for transferring a pilot, it's hard to see how anything a cargo ship making way might be doing would qualify.

Pete

 

[PilotWolf]

Re: Norwegian Colregs

I'm wary of unleashing a wave of Colreg pedantry, but the word is in the thread title so it's probably inevitable

You can only be RAM due to "the nature of [your] work". The examples in the regs aren't exhaustive, but except perhaps for transferring a pilot, it's hard to see how anything a cargo ship making way might be doing would qualify.

Pete

Mechanical issues? But that said I don't remember a VTS system that doesnt check that the ship is serviceable with regards to steering, engine controls functional and masters on the bridge and it's being hand steered, so probably unlikely.

W.

 

[alant]

Re: Norwegian Colregs

This happened in a VTS sone close to an oil terminal.
The frigate 17 knots, tanker 6 knots on close to head on course.
Starboard anchor on the tanker ripped open the hull outside the engine room on starboard side of the frigate.
Observers claim the frigate was dark.
The tanker saw the frigate 3 minutes before impact and the pilot tried to contact the oncoming vessel.
One minute before impact they had radio contact but the frigate could or would not change course...
Happened around the time watch crew on the bridge was changed on the frigate..

Sounds a bit like the USS Enterprise & the Eddystone lighthouse joke ("your call").