Nordhavn alternative

I know Selenes and Marlows have crossed on their own bottoms, plus quite a few Grand Banks. Seaton has a new 60' in build too.

http://www.seatonyachts.com/60expedition.html

I once stood next to a Japanese chap at the bar at the Antigua Yacht Club; he smelled strongly of petrol. He had just crossed the Atlantic in his own boat powered by a Tohatsu 2.5hp outboard and was then cruising the Caribbean with it.

https://www.tohatsu.com/news/seiko.html
 

Hi,

Several Kadley Krogen models as well as many De Fever, Flemings and many other brands. Nordhav's most powerful drummer on its own and the ocean over its overhangs, many others keep a low voice and people are not familiar with these trawler, at least in Europe if you do not follow the issue globally.

https://www.kadeykrogen.com/

https://setsail.com/

https://www.artnautica.com/designs/long-range-cruiser-58

http://dieselducks.com/

https://www.beringyachts.com/model/bering-55/

Here are two more affordable and older Trawlers that in real life do cross over the ocean. The first 1972 built Ceoy Lee 47 drove a few weeks ago + 2700nm..and another kadley Krogen 42 came to the US to ride around Europe and returned back while continuing to travel elsewhere.

http://www.seawitch.ca/SeaWitch/About.html
https://dauntlessatsea.com/

This interesting example of Nordhavn is equipped with ocean crossing, they have additional tanks in the cocpit + potuguese bridge, add storm windows etc ...
https://mvdirona.com/2017/10/preparing-dirona-for-the-north-atlantic-crossing/

Here are just a few examples, these Trawler types of boats can be found in so many different characters that can make or have done ocaen crossing.

NBs
 
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Nordhav's most powerful drummer on its own and the ocean over its overhangs, many others keep a low voice and people are not familiar with these trawler, at least in Europe if you do not follow the issue globally.
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Agreed wholeheartedly. Plenty of peculiar, often one-off vessels, among ocean going trawlers.
Just to throw in some other names: Sea Spirit, Kanter, Park Isle of Wanderbird fame, Cape Horn, Molokai, Inace, Ocean Alexander, …
And it's not like there aren't EU alternatives - arguably some pretty good ones btw, like Ocea and CdM, albeit focused on pretty large stuff.

Talking of exotic ocean going vessels, the palm for the weirdest one which I ever came across is bound to go to the one below.
I suppose her look might remind the Florida Bay Coasters (which are as far from ocean going as boats can get!) to anyone familiar with them, but this thingie is a completely different kettle of fish.
Built at the same Sea Horse yard more well known for Diesel Ducks, the owner had two main goals in mind: top safety AND comfort, with form strictly following function.
The result is a very ugly vessel, as I'm sure most will agree, BUT with several interesting peculiarities, like:
- fully redundant TWIN engines (the last non-electronic 6068 from JD, continuous duty rated), installed with encapsulated shafts at an outward angle vs. the keel, allowing economical cruising on one engine alone with no need to constantly use the rudder to keep her on a straight course, and protected (as well as props and rudders) by very solid steel shoes.
- interior spaces at least comparable with a 70 footer, if not more (she's actually a 55').
- an endless list of unusual but very purposely designed details - much more than I can remember, in fact. But just as one example I never came across in any other vessel aside from MUCH smaller ones, she was built with large internal deck cleats, at the stern and at the bow, strongly welded to her steel frames, meant for lifting the boat without hull slings - go figure!

At the end of the day, the truth is that what really made PAE stand out in this segment of the market are their marketing skills, rather than anything so special from the technical standpoint.
Which is not something to be underestimated, actually.
Many boaters are interested in this type of vessels just to fulfill a dream - like ticking one box in their bucket list, sort of.
For them, a decent resaleability once they are done with it is a key factor, and let's be honest, that depends on brand recognition more than anything else...

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Hi, Well said MapisM, that's just right.

Here's one of my favorites, albeit not my budget, but really cool 55 feet of Trawler vs same sitze EU Fly motor boats, my own warehouse for the car Wv golf, helicopter and lots of living space, I think nothing is missing. If speed and the next port is not important, but travel and life "Trawler life" attitude. Huge 7kn/3500 nm cruising range.

https://www.denisonyachtsales.com/yachts-for-sale/55-Custom-Trawler-2007-Victoria-/6664896

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More story this cool trawler

http://teddibearboat.com/


Nbs
 
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Here's one of my favorites, albeit not my budget, but really cool 55 feet of Trawler vs same sitze EU Fly motor boats, my own warehouse for the car Wv golf, helicopter and lots of living space, I think nothing is missing. Huge 13000 nm cruising range.
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Well, Teddi Bear is probably the most well known of the Florida Bay Coasters which I previously mentioned.
She was the cover boat in Sep 08 Passagemaker btw (I can send you the PDF if you missed it).
They aren't called coasters for nothing, though. A look at this TF thread is worth a thousand words!

Otoh, they obviously make fantastic homes on the water, and the huge range is useful regardless of the actual passage length you wish to afford.
I'm just not sure I would trust that sort of boats for much more than inland waterways and the likes, TBH... :rolleyes:
 
Ha Ha,

If it's the same Japanese guy, we met him when he touched land in Barbados late 1994. Covered in sores. Charming bloke - our children were quite intrigued by him.

Edit - just got the link to work - yep that's him - we met him in the Canaries too before he set off.

Fishtigua said:
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I once stood next to a Japanese chap at the bar at the Antigua Yacht Club; he smelled strongly of petrol. He had just crossed the Atlantic in his own boat powered by a Tohatsu 2.5hp outboard and was then cruising the Caribbean with it.

https://www.tohatsu.com/news/seiko.html
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Any suggestions?
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Yup. Nordhavn's direct competitors are Selene and Kadey-Krogen. Both brands have ocean crossing capability particularly the K-K which has an excellent reputation in the USA. We hear more about Nordhavn because they're better at marketing;)
 
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K-K which has an excellent reputation in the USA
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Indeed they do, but I have it on good authority that their build quality is more basic than most of their competitors.
Otoh, some folks swear by their hull design, which is somewhat peculiar among D hulls, with a V shape astern.
Anyhow, KK are definitely among the boats which I would want to seatrial, if I were interested in that type of boat.
 
Piers said:
Easy - Watson 72 from Pacific Motor Yachts. Do I win?
http://www.realtrawlers.com/index.p...cle&id=1:watson-72&catid=2:trawlers&Itemid=13
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Yup, nothing like the good old steel for this sort of boats.
I did read about that very same blue hull boat somewhere, but I can't remember where exactly.
Interesting to read the specs in the website you linked, anyway.
With 40+T of fuel capacity, if based in my home port, she could pay for herself just going back and forth to Tunisia, top up the tanks and resell the fuel in IT... :rolleyes:
 
MapisM said:
Yup, nothing like the good old steel for this sort of boats.
I did read about that very same blue hull boat somewhere, but I can't remember where exactly.
Interesting to read the specs in the website you linked, anyway.
With 40+T of fuel capacity, if based in my home port, she could pay for herself just going back and forth to Tunisia, top up the tanks and resell the fuel in IT... :rolleyes:
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Astonishing specs. I remember reading about one being deliverd by its new owner to New Zealand. He commented that he was annoyed that in A F12 he'd had to come back on speed by 0.5 kt!

I love seeing the fuel consumption difference on a speed difference of 0.7 kts..... Full Power Range: 5097 nautical miles @ 10.5 knots. Cruise Power Range: 7050 nautical miles @ 9.8 knots
 
Piers said:
Easy - Watson 72 from Pacific Motor Yachts. Do I win?

http://www.realtrawlers.com/index.p...cle&id=1:watson-72&catid=2:trawlers&Itemid=13
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excuse me but this boat is bloody awful :D

I mean from main deck you cannot see ahead (probably able to glimpse through the sides a bit, but nothing straight ahead with these two pathetic portholes!) and you have to helm from a small upper level where probably none else is going to follow (on the plus there's a sofa there for whoever dares...).
I know on a transatlantic or ocean crossing you aren't really bothered as there are no pots or small fishing boats to slalom around, but any other trip you're doomed to be alone up there...
Also too many steps about, by the time you have the money to afford it, you probably don't have the legs to run it (literally)
Decent cabins small portholes, shall I go on :p

I do believe that P idea is a good one though :D

cheers

V.
 
Rag and stick is the only way to cross an ocean. Lots of choice of serious cruising boats available and if you don’t want to spend a few weeks heeled at an uncomfortable angle then buy a big cat. A Gunboat 66 would be my choice.
https://youtu.be/vdqXoIhg0dA
 
Piers said:
I remember reading about one being deliverd by its new owner to New Zealand.
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Well, he didn't have to make a long trip, then! Afaik, those Watson things were built by Oceania Marine in Whangarei... :D
Which doesn't mean that they couldn't have met awful sea conditions of course, depending also on where in NZ the boat had to be delivered. The Tasman sea can be really nasty, as I'm told!

As an aside, this habit of establishing a brand owned by a company that is just an empty box, while the boats are actually built by yards which are kept under wraps as much as possible, is something that I hate with a passion, because it has no other purpose than trying to hide the huge mark-ups on the actual production costs - as if those interested in this type of boats would all be bumpkins... :ambivalence:
In fact, for some reason, this habit is rather the norm than the exception only in the D/SD segment of the pleasure boating industry - starting from Nordhavn themselves, whose first boats were all built (and the best still are) by Ta Shing.
A name which is totally unknown to most boaters but which is actually the real thing, as opposed to PAE/Nordhavn!
 
Dino said:
Rag and stick is the only way to cross an ocean.
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+1, as long as we are talking of small boats, that is.
The absolute best way remains a 4 engines jetliner, followed by 3 and eventually 2 engines jetliners.
Oh, and then there's the QM2 and the likes.
So, rag and stick is not actually the "only" way by any stretch of imagination, let alone the best... But better than a powerboat, they surely are. :rolleyes:
Everything in life is relative!
 
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