Non DIY Maintenance tasks/costs for 32-36ft yacht

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we could dry out alongside to power wash and antifoul as well as other maintenance jobs between tides whereas others pay for haulout and all work.

If you're dried out, how do you go about anti-fouling? Wouldn't the bottom of your keep be in the mud even on a bilge keeler, does that section get skipped until a liftout? Sorry if thats a silly question, but I've always wondered and don't really know how to research it/what to search for.
 

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If you're dried out, how do you go about anti-fouling? Wouldn't the bottom of your keep be in the mud even on a bilge keeler, does that section get skipped until a liftout? Sorry if thats a silly question, but I've always wondered and don't really know how to research it/what to search for.

You need to choose where you dry out, certainly don't want to be on your back under a bilge keeler in mud. Lots of beaches with clean sand or harbour wall with stone bottom such as Castletown outer harbour below, Usually we used to scrub off on one tide and then antifoul on the next.

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You need to choose where you dry out, certainly don't want to be on your back under a bilge keeler in mud. Lots of beaches with clean sand or harbour wall with stone bottom such as Castletown outer harbour below, Usually we used to scrub off on one tide and then antifoul on the next.

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What happens to the little bit thats in contact with the stone? Does that get treated differently?
 

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I feel I should refuse to comment.
Approx £350,lift, pressure wash, chock then relaunch within 6 months at approx £350 for 37'. The joys of not being on the South Coast.
 

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Thank you for taking the time to break that down for me. It's extremely informative.

Can I ask, knowing what you know now, would you have bought a newer boat, for say £20-30k more, or still gone with your current "custom" route for the fitout, with expenses as incurred in real life. It's a personal decision obviously and for some, I imagine emotional.

I absolutely agree with the buy cheap, buy twice, mantra.

Have you had a go with Nikwax tech wash on your oils? I'm sure someone has said that before, but actually I've found it rather good.

Where are you presently and can we have another video soon? :) Hope conditions have eased a little for you. But blimey, what did I see, 7.56kn or something? Going some!

Reminds me. Are you accompanied, because I could have sworn I saw a yacht called Serenity in two of the ports you visited in Part 1? Maybe you have a stalker? They were blonde, around 5ft 6 and shapely.....
I had the money to buy a new 32ft yacht fully equipped. However I do not like the modern designs for numerous reasons. As my wife will never come with me due to excessive motion sickness, I decided I could not justify to myself buying a new yacht. I then decided that £40,000 would buy an adequate yacht for my needs, but did not know what. The maximum size for singlehanding, from experience, would be 36ft. Looking at a variety of different boats, I struggled to find what I wanted. Then my brother suggested a Westerly Fulmar. I had always thought Westerlies were more like floating caravans, but the Fulmar has done everything from international match racing, offshore racing, round the cans racing, extensive cruising and been used by sailing schools. What could be called a perfect type of yacht. It also has a ¾ rig meaning the headsail and spinnaker are smaller than a masthead rig of the same size boat. This crystalised my buying direction to one class of boat. Ultimately I bought Concerto for only £21,500 in Dec 2013, thinking the balance of the budget would be sufficient to bring her up to a modernised as new standard. It has cost a lot more, but do I care? No, it was my money and I have her exactly as I want her. I should mention that the balance of what I could have spent was put into a flat that my daughter used for most of the degree course. When she moved out and sold it, I not only had a reasonable rent from her, I also made over £12,000 profit as prices had risen. Naturally I gave a chunk back to her so she could buy a house.

Not tried Nikwax, but the fabric is getting abraded and the rubber cuffs are beginning to perish. So not really worth doing.

The next video will be some weeks away as they are very time consuming to edit. The first one took about 11 hours for a 10 minute video and the second was about 17 hours. Work has started on the 3rd and video is being collected for further parts as well. You will just have to wait a while. 7.56 knots, that is not fast, I have seen 8.6 knots at one time and over 8 knots constantly for over 5 minutes! I push my boat and sail in conditions many fully crewed boats stay in harbour.

There are several boats I have met up with. Serenity is also based on the Medway, but a different marina. The couple who own her also had her brother on board. He is currently renovating a Fulmar on the Medway. I parted with Serenity when in Harltepool as they had to head home. At no time I have I sailed in company, it has only been by accident. There have been a number of yachts I have met multiple times on this trip. One that used the Caledonian Canal is now less than 100 miles away, so I might meet with them again. Another I saw in Wells and Scarborough, came to find me in Scalloway. He is now sailing down the Norwegian coast back to Holland. One couple I chatted with in Lowestoft, I met again in the Orkneys. It can be such a small world at times.
 

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Have you considered dry-stacking a power boat? If you're considering the Solent area then there are quite a number - 4 on the Hamble, 2 on the Itchen in Southampton, 3 at least in Portsmouth, 2 at least in Poole.
They can generally take up to 10 or 11m and with the chain marinas you get the same benefits of free berthing nights etc. as ordinary berth holders. Plus benefits like SeaStart.
No need for anti-fouling or lift outs to worry about and if you're living at a distance you'll sleep much easier knowing your boat's safe ashore when there's bad weather.
I think the rates are cheaper than for a permanent marina berth and launching is as simple as a couple of thumb clicks on your mobile.
It's not sailing but it gets you on the water with access to all the fleshpots of Lake Solent.
 

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I had the money to buy a new 32ft yacht fully equipped. However I do not like the modern designs for numerous reasons. As my wife will never come with me due to excessive motion sickness, I decided I could not justify to myself buying a new yacht. I then decided that £40,000 would buy an adequate yacht for my needs, but did not know what. The maximum size for singlehanding, from experience, would be 36ft. Looking at a variety of different boats, I struggled to find what I wanted. Then my brother suggested a Westerly Fulmar. I had always thought Westerlies were more like floating caravans, but the Fulmar has done everything from international match racing, offshore racing, round the cans racing, extensive cruising and been used by sailing schools. What could be called a perfect type of yacht. It also has a ¾ rig meaning the headsail and spinnaker are smaller than a masthead rig of the same size boat. This crystalised my buying direction to one class of boat. Ultimately I bought Concerto for only £21,500 in Dec 2013, thinking the balance of the budget would be sufficient to bring her up to a modernised as new standard. It has cost a lot more, but do I care? No, it was my money and I have her exactly as I want her. I should mention that the balance of what I could have spent was put into a flat that my daughter used for most of the degree course. When she moved out and sold it, I not only had a reasonable rent from her, I also made over £12,000 profit as prices had risen. Naturally I gave a chunk back to her so she could buy a house.

Not tried Nikwax, but the fabric is getting abraded and the rubber cuffs are beginning to perish. So not really worth doing.

The next video will be some weeks away as they are very time consuming to edit. The first one took about 11 hours for a 10 minute video and the second was about 17 hours. Work has started on the 3rd and video is being collected for further parts as well. You will just have to wait a while. 7.56 knots, that is not fast, I have seen 8.6 knots at one time and over 8 knots constantly for over 5 minutes! I push my boat and sail in conditions many fully crewed boats stay in harbour.

There are several boats I have met up with. Serenity is also based on the Medway, but a different marina. The couple who own her also had her brother on board. He is currently renovating a Fulmar on the Medway. I parted with Serenity when in Harltepool as they had to head home. At no time I have I sailed in company, it has only been by accident. There have been a number of yachts I have met multiple times on this trip. One that used the Caledonian Canal is now less than 100 miles away, so I might meet with them again. Another I saw in Wells and Scarborough, came to find me in Scalloway. He is now sailing down the Norwegian coast back to Holland. One couple I chatted with in Lowestoft, I met again in the Orkneys. It can be such a small world at times.

It's really interesting to hear about how people came about their boats and the journey that got them to where they are. Even better when it's worked out so well for them.

Regarding editing, it's something I have a little knowledge of. Have you come across Da Vinci Resolve? Thought I'd mention just in case as it's not only free, but extremely powerful. Does need quite a hefty computer to run though.

Have a safe voyage and I'll look forward to the next video. Theres nothing quite like a first person perspective to show the lay of the land, or in this case, sea.
 

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Have you considered dry-stacking a power boat? If you're considering the Solent area then there are quite a number - 4 on the Hamble, 2 on the Itchen in Southampton, 3 at least in Portsmouth, 2 at least in Poole.
They can generally take up to 10 or 11m and with the chain marinas you get the same benefits of free berthing nights etc. as ordinary berth holders. Plus benefits like SeaStart.
No need for anti-fouling or lift outs to worry about and if you're living at a distance you'll sleep much easier knowing your boat's safe ashore when there's bad weather.
I think the rates are cheaper than for a permanent marina berth and launching is as simple as a couple of thumb clicks on your mobile.
It's not sailing but it gets you on the water with access to all the fleshpots of Lake Solent.

Hello. Yes I had considered it, but not in depth. Are launches automated and controlled remotely? Now that would be something I might expect to see in Japan, but not blighty, at least not quite yet? Imagine a system like those giant skyscraper parking lots, where robots retrieve your car when you want it. Incredible potential.

The latest marina to take our fancy comes in at around £5.5k for 10m or so. Not top dollar, but also not exactly cheap.

Fleshpots :ROFLMAO: New term for me.
 

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Regarding editing, it's something I have a little knowledge of. Have you come across Da Vinci Resolve? Thought I'd mention just in case as it's not only free, but extremely powerful. Does need quite a hefty computer to run though.

Have a safe voyage and I'll look forward to the next video. Theres nothing quite like a first person perspective to show the lay of the land, or in this case, sea.
For editting I use Openshot, which is also free. I used to use a paid for video editor until the company withdrew support and made it impossible to use. Openshot is not a bad editor but can be slightly clunky and can just close without notice, so I save every few minutes. This is probably because my videos have a huge number of video clips to work from and lots of very short clips being combined, then there are titles being added. I have shown a few people who are possibly interested in learning editting and are amazed at how complex a video can look. In this photo of the program with the part 2 video loaded, the line of blue boxes are all the video clips plus backgrounds and titles.

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For editting I use Openshot, which is also free. I used to use a paid for video editor until the company withdrew support and made it impossible to use. Openshot is not a bad editor but can be slightly clunky and can just close without notice, so I save every few minutes. This is probably because my videos have a huge number of video clips to work from and lots of very short clips being combined, then there are titles being added. I have shown a few people who are possibly interested in learning editting and are amazed at how complex a video can look. In this photo of the program with the part 2 video loaded, the line of blue boxes are all the video clips plus backgrounds and titles.

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If your computer meets the specs, I'd really give Da Vinci a try. It's used to edit hollywood movies, including blockbusters. A serious product, but depending on your setup, it may offer benefits in terms of managing media and possibly, speed of editing, but being a complex package, will take time to learn. Whats nice about it is that the free version has very reasonable limits as to what you can do without paying, plenty for the likes of you or I, but they also offer pro level features with all sorts of CGI (think Transformers movies...) and editing desks costing as much as a yacht!

Saving every few minutes is good practice regardless, as is editing from an SSD, if possible. Goodness knows SSD's speed things up tremendously, as does a lot of DRAM.

I'll PM you a link to a video I edited with it. I think I'd only been using it a week or so at the time. It's relatable to what you're doing and like you I had hours of footage to compress down with cuts and edits.

I'm not on commission, promise but it's so good and I know video editing can be such a PITA with all manner of products. The pro's use really only two, Adobe Premier I think it is, and Da Vinci. Thats as far as I understand anyway.
 

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If your computer meets the specs, I'd really give Da Vinci a try. It's used to edit hollywood movies, including blockbusters. A serious product, but depending on your setup, it may offer benefits in terms of managing media and possibly, speed of editing, but being a complex package, will take time to learn. Whats nice about it is that the free version has very reasonable limits as to what you can do without paying, plenty for the likes of you or I, but they also offer pro level features with all sorts of CGI (think Transformers movies...) and editing desks costing as much as a yacht!

Saving every few minutes is good practice regardless, as is editing from an SSD, if possible. Goodness knows SSD's speed things up tremendously, as does a lot of DRAM.

I'll PM you a link to a video I edited with it. I think I'd only been using it a week or so at the time. It's relatable to what you're doing and like you I had hours of footage to compress down with cuts and edits.

I'm not on commission, promise but it's so good and I know video editing can be such a PITA with all manner of products. The pro's use really only two, Adobe Premier I think it is, and Da Vinci. Thats as far as I understand anyway.
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Skimming through this just reminded me why it's a really bad idea to add up the running costs on any non-essential item like a boat - or a classic car, for that matter. It's far too depressing.

There's a well known saying that goes with that:

"If you have to ask the price you can't afford it"
 

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The best solution is to sow some seeds by remarking how a particular addition or replacement would make sailing safer or, more comfortable for her. Surprising how often spending can become their idea :D

Hmm, I'm sure some of those high end chart plotters can be made to stream netflix!
 
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