New Two stroke outboard.

[jac]

Is it so simple? Should we infer that Mainbrayce takes no serious note (or pass on that information to official bodies here) of who they sell new two-strokes to...

...and that they leave checks on where the engines are going, to a South Coast border-inspection team, busy with other matters?

It's not in MB's business interests to put up more barriers to sales than absolutely necessary, but I'd like to know where and whether they draw a line.

Not sure that MB would be interested. The CI have never banned the sale of 2 stroke so from any sellers there, there is no change. What their customers choose to do with it after a legal purchase is down to the customer. It would be like buying a gun legally in the US and then trying to get it into the UK - of no relevance to the gun shop.

 

[Graham376]

I don't believe you can buy one as a man on the street.

I've noted that outboard suppliers require a company headed letter inorder to purchase a 2 stroke. I have wondered what they then do with said letter or whether it just just gets filed away somewhere to go in the bin...

The letter goes to the importer/distributor and also contains a declaration that it won't be sold on for recreational use and any future sale details will be passed to them as well. They do keep the letter along with registration for warranty details.

 

[northwind]

I wouldn't assume that major components like the cylinder block are necessarily available as spares.

Pete

They are, and also there a plenty of copy ones for sale on Ali express too. Although the eye-watering cost of a new block would make you think twice, £2000 for a replacement from Yamaha for a 5hp 2stroke..

 

[Graham376]

Reverting to the two-stroke theme, while it may not be easy or legally possible to purchase a brand new one, does anything (other than high cost, time and expertise required) prevent anyone from ordering a complete set of spares and assembling a new engine?

All parts can be legally purchased but when I checked, a power head alone for a Tohatsu 9.8 2 stroke would have cost more than a complete new engine.

 

[Greenheart]

Possibly the manufacturers' two-stroke parts list is priced to encourage the buyer to go four-stroke instead?

But good to know the old oilies can be kept running.

 

[northwind]

Possibly the manufacturers' two-stroke parts list is priced to encourage the buyer to go four-stroke instead?

But good to know the old oilies can be kept running.

I think you will find its the general way for the cost of spare parts for any engine, regardless of type. Hence why there is a good market for second hand spares on ebay.

 

[Greenheart]

Indeed...but it's a bit extreme, isn't it?

...cost of a new block would make you think twice, £2000 for a replacement from Yamaha for a 5hp 2stroke..

That must be far more than a brand new, complete 5hp Yamaha 4-stroke?

 

[Graham376]

Not sure that MB would be interested. The CI have never banned the sale of 2 stroke so from any sellers there, there is no change. What their customers choose to do with it after a legal purchase is down to the customer. It would be like buying a gun legally in the US and then trying to get it into the UK - of no relevance to the gun shop.

AFAIK, unlike guns it isn't an offense to own or use a non emission compliant two stroke engine, the offense is offering them for sale or importing new ones for recreational use. When I spoke to Mainbrayce (Alderney) they said if someone was caught taking a new one from there to France on the ferry, it would be seized.

 

[Greenheart]

That sounds like they were implying with a heavyweight wink, that if you bring it back to Blighty on your own vessel and not too obviously, nothing is likely to be seized.

 

[Minerva]

The letter goes to the importer/distributor and also contains a declaration that it won't be sold on for recreational use and any future sale details will be passed to them as well. They do keep the letter along with registration for warranty details.

That is very interesting and informative indeed, thank you

 

[TiggerToo]

I thought that was specifically not the case, and that all the EU environmental laws we have observed hitherto, are retained, transposed into UK law, obliging us to do as previously?

does that include law/regulations relating to the use and purchase/sale of 2 strokes?

 

[Greenheart]

I doubt the two-stroke legislation would or could be considered to have been excluded from all other EU environmental law adopted by the UK. Unless it has been amended to that effect, I'd assume it stands.

 

[TiggerToo]

I doubt the two-stroke legislation would or could be considered to have been excluded from all other EU environmental law adopted by the UK. Unless it has been amended to that effect, I'd assume it stands.

so the anwer to the OP is "no"

 

[Greenheart]

I think it's as much "no" as it ever was, but I daresay we've swapped more thoughts about it today than our legislators or law-enforcers will bother to, if in future people buy engines whilst on the islands and cruise down the coast a bit before returning home, forgetting their purchase. Easy mistake, anyone might make. ?

What seems less clear (maybe only to me) is how rigorously the vendors check the engine's intended purpose and destination. If they're persuaded by headed note-paper, it sounds like a free-for-all...

...notwithstanding the abject lie one will have had to tell, and admit to, if discovered by (chaps in dark peaked caps? I don't even know who these potential inspectors are) with the 'contraband' hiding under a sail.

 

[Graham376]

What seems less clear (maybe only to me) is how rigorously the vendors check the engine's intended purpose and destination. If they're persuaded by headed note-paper, it sounds like a free-for-all...

Not just a letterhead, I had to produce copy trade invoices from various suppliers to show I was trading.

 

[Greenheart]

Fair enough.

I don't think I can be bothered to go to Alderney and fake a back-story of commercial fishing or zapcat-racing testimonials.

I'll keep the little Tohatsu going as long as I can, then switch to electric. An old Torqeedo should be cheap by then.

 

[Neil_Y]

THIS IS NOT A CHANCE TO DISCUSS BREXIT!!

Simple question. As we’re now no longer a member of the EU can we buy new two stroke outboards again? Or do we still have to go to the CI’s or claim(?) that it’s for commercial use?

I might look into this as a chinese 9.9hp only costs around £600 each if you buy 5. So sales price +duty + vat could be around £1000

 

[LONG_KEELER]

But why are they allowed for company use but not for private individuals ?

I thought we are all responsible for our emissions .

 

[Kelpie]

But why are they allowed for company use but not for private individuals ?

I thought we are all responsible for our emissions .

It's the same thinking that allows big ships to use TBT antifouling.

 

[LONG_KEELER]

It's the same thinking that allows big ships to use TBT antifouling.

Lobbying power ! You canny beat it.