New Tender for Blue Angel

[BartW]

Bart, are you having the Novu 430 delivered to Antwerp? Are you buying a trailer to bring it to SofF?

If you are, here is an idea. I need a trailer for the 430 too - I'll explain why later

So 2 choices:

1. I can buy the trailer off you when you've finished, if you don't want it; or
2. You buy a new trailer in Belgium (for €1000 I guess), I will send you 75% of the cost, and when you have done your delivery of your new tender you give the trailer to me in SofF, and I keep it. This means you get a new trailer for the delivery to SofF, and you don't have to drive it back to Belgium as well

I can receive the trailer from you anytime you are ready - March to July

No pressure - just an idea

yes delivery to Antwerp,
my idea was to collect her in Antwerp with the company truck,
and rent a trailer for transportation to SOF,
about easter I have a car transport to SOF anyway to bring my friends and their gear for many small rebuild jobs,
they have to get home again and they might take the old tender back home (? )
or do you think I could get it sold in SOF ?

If you need to buy I trailer anyway, I can change my plan, no problem,
do you need a trailer permanently, or just for a one off ?

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

Bart, are you having the Novu 430 delivered to Antwerp? Are you buying a trailer to bring it to SofF?

If you are, here is an idea. I need a trailer for the 430 too - I'll explain why later

So 2 choices:

1. I can buy the trailer off you when you've finished, if you don't want it; or
2. You buy a new trailer in Belgium (for €1000 I guess), I will send you 75% of the cost, and when you have done your delivery of your new tender you give the trailer to me in SofF, and I keep it. This means you get a new trailer for the delivery to SofF, and you don't have to drive it back to Belgium as well

I can receive the trailer from you anytime you are ready - March to July

No pressure - just an idea

What happened to the trailer from the fractional rib? Could that be upcycled (aargh) to also sort out Bart's rib, and your own rib requirements? It's a bit oversize, but that doesn't make it unusable. For bonus points, can the trailer shipping be somehow combined with Nick_h's upcoming trailer odyssey from Trieste?

 

[jfm]

yes delivery to Antwerp,
my idea was to collect her in Antwerp with the company truck,
and rent a trailer for transportation to SOF,
about easter I have a car transport to SOF anyway to bring my friends and their gear for many small rebuild jobs,
they have to get home again and they might take the old tender back home (? )
or do you think I could get it sold in SOF ?

If you need to buy I trailer anyway, I can change my plan, no problem,
do you need a trailer permanently, or just for a one off ?

I want a trailer permanently, not one-off. So if there is no "sharing formula" here I'll just buy one

I forgot you had the old tender from BA to sell. Maybe therefore you need to keep the trailer, to take BA's old tender to Belgium. I do not know how easy/how long it would be/take to sell in SofF

No worries - I can just buy a trailer. But if there is some way to combine things and do a "sharing deal" to save €€€ for both of us, then let me know! I wont buy a trailer until this summer (unless I see a bargain)

 

[jfm]

What happened to the trailer from the fractional rib? Could that be upcycled (aargh) to also sort out Bart's rib, and your own rib requirements? It's a bit oversize, but that doesn't make it unusable. For bonus points, can the trailer shipping be somehow combined with Nick_h's upcoming trailer odyssey from Trieste?

Yes, oversize is fine in these situations. But we sold it on Ebay about 3 months ago, to a bloke in Northern Ireland (yeah, if we knew then what we know now, we'd have kept it, LOL )

 

[BartW]

I forgot you had the old tender from BA to sell. Maybe therefore you need to keep the trailer, to take BA's old tender to Belgium. I do not know how easy/how long it would be/take to sell in SofF

wanted to sell it here, in B or NL (or UK) , just OK for a starters boat

do you have in mind what trailer you want, spicific brand, or just anything that fits, can you buy that locally ?
It you have a problem for transport to SOF, I have planned a drive down in marsh, and one in april,

easter weekend we leave SOF towards the Adriatic, for at least one season,...
when I'm older, I might come back to SOF

 

[jfm]

wanted to sell it here, in B or NL (or UK) , just OK for a starters boat

do you have in mind what trailer you want, spicific brand, or just anything that fits, can you buy that locally ?
It you have a problem for transport to SOF, I have planned a drive down in marsh, and one in april,

easter weekend we leave SOF towards the Adriatic, for at least one season,...
when I'm older, I might come back to SOF

OK, that makes sense - sell your old tender in N Europe, when you're at home there

I have no special requirements about trailer. Any decent brand will do. No worries/no hurry! I'll buy one locally, or I have a delivery to SoF also in March and I could send a trailer on that trip. (Thanks for the offer of transport but I'm ok at the moment!).

That's a big trip - Adriatic. you must have a jobs list of preparations to make! Good luck

 

[MapisM]

Resurrecting this thread because I just spotted this, just in case BartW would be interested to have a look.
I'm afraid that if BA would get the poles, she couldn't claim be the first C70 with such solution....

 

[MRC]

RibShare has plastic teak, possibly flexi teak, it gets VERY hot, too hot, looks OK ish but because of how hot it gets I wouldnt reccomend it.

RibShare trrailer sold 8 months ago - saving €1200 storage fees, sold for€2200 ish but we now want to buy another to store at Chateau JFM for next winter. If anyone hears of a good 4 wheel trailer please do pass our way.

 

[BartW]

I'm afraid that if BA would get the poles, she couldn't claim be the first C70 with such solution....

I don't want to sound pedantic, but this is a C70 MM, and BA is a C70s,
the C70 has a negative shape transom, and a full wooden hull iirc,
do you have a better pic of the Canados decal on the side ? looks like 70s on this pic ?


after doing some tests with acrow studs, we decided to place the poles as in Option I

SS poles are ordered and to be installed when we pass along Rome,
we have already done a reinforcement below the floor with wooden poles,(as your sugestion remember)
all neat and not ubstructing space, will post pics later
during many years of weight on top, the FB hangover was lowered approx 3cm compared to the orriginal position,
with the acroc poles, and the new SS poles they will be back up again 2cm

Boat is still in Marseille,
delivery trip to PM postponed until last week of may.
if you're available around that time, you're welcome to join,

If someone else on here fancy's a delivery trip from SOF via Rome to Montenegro, don't hesitate to give a sign,
some night cruising included, need another "driver" onboard
all for free, (you just need to get on the boat, and back home)
the problem is to do exact sceduling with the weather and all that..
reserved period: 24may - 1june (tbc)
we have planned to have a 2 or 3 day (only) stay in Rome

 

[MapisM]

I don't want to sound pedantic, but this is a C70 MM, and BA is a C70s,
the C70 has a negative shape transom, and a full wooden hull iirc,
do you have a better pic of the Canados decal on the side ? looks like 70s on this pic ?

Yep B, indeed she looks older than BA, has a reverse raked transom, and she might well have a plywood hull, though I can't be positive about that.
She's marked as a C70s anyway, and interestingly she has pocket anchors, which do not seem retrofitted (see below).
Currently moored in my marina, but there's nobody onboard. I'll investigate further, if anyone will appear in the next days, before I'll fly back home.

Re. BA delivery to PM, many thanks for the invitation.
As you know, both myself and S are always more than happy to cruise onboard BA, but we have some balls in the air at the moment, including for the end of May.
We would be very happy to come anyway. Let us work on our agenda a bit, will follow up asap via email.

Btw, am I right in understanding that you are planning to make it in one week, inclusive of a 2-3 days stop in Rome?
If so, that sounds like a pretty tight schedule!
Why don't you consider leaving the boat in Rome (or somewhere else), and take the opportunity to see some of the many great spots along the route, splitting the delivery to PM in some different legs, according to your timing?

As I understand, there's another forumite who was thinking to circumnavigate Italy and bring the boat to Croatia, but eventually decided to spend the whole 2014 summer enjoying a proper sea like the Tyrrhenian, rather than a sort of big shallow lake like the Adriatic....

 

[vas]

If someone else on here fancy's a delivery trip from SOF via Rome to Montenegro, don't hesitate to give a sign,
some night cruising included, need another "driver" onboard
all for free, (you just need to get on the boat, and back home)
the problem is to do exact sceduling with the weather and all that..
reserved period: 24may - 1june (tbc)
we have planned to have a 2 or 3 day (only) stay in Rome

Bart, would really love to come, chances are slim for the lot (will be straight after a week in GE/CH/IT with my daughter visiting CERN), but could possibly do the Rome-MN bit...
so a half sign from me

cheers

V.

 

[BartW]

and interestingly she has pocket anchors, which do not seem retrofitted (see below).
Currently moored in my marina, but there's nobody onboard. I'll investigate further, if anyone will appear in the next days, before I'll fly back home.

yes, really interesting, have been thinking about retrofit pocket anchers on BA,
but many small upgrades are much more important / usefull than that.

fe. this C70s has the twin canopy frame's,
has been a big topic of discussion at home and still is ! ;-)
my mind still is on the hard top with gliding roof

Re. BA delivery to PM, many thanks for the invitation.

as you know you're very welcome, and even more S !
I'll keep you informed per email of the scedule

or I'll make a thread,
if Vas or others want to join,

the original plan was to have BA a few weeks in Rome, but we didn't make it around easter,
(time frame too short and weather no good)
Now I would prefer to skip a stay in Rome, but still have a few small issues to solve over there,
ao have the Ital made E/R extinguishing system inspected,
is a headache here in SOF

Btw, am I right in understanding that you are planning to make it in one week, inclusive of a 2-3 days stop in Rome?
If so, that sounds like a pretty tight schedule!
Why don't you consider leaving the boat in Rome (or somewhere else), and take the opportunity to see some of the many great spots along the route, splitting the delivery to PM in some different legs, according to your timing?

As I understand, there's another forumite who was thinking to circumnavigate Italy and bring the boat to Croatia, but eventually decided to spend the whole 2014 summer enjoying a proper sea like the Tyrrhenian, rather than a sort of big shallow lake like the Adriatic....

yes I heard about that, there was a Italian guy who convinced that forumite to stay one season around sardegna

we have booked many guests this summer during 12 weeks, (friends and family as usual) coming to BA, from Porto montenegro,
all flights and logistics are booked to and from Tivat.
so this season is fixed, and thats why I want to have the boat there asap, just to have some spare time, prior to the busy summer season.

for the 2015 season I'm considering a exploration of Sardegna and or sicily ... tbc,
as usual more plans then time

 

[AndieMac]

............yes I heard about that, there was a Italian guy who convinced that forumite to stay one season around sardegna

Yes I've heard about him, apparently quite persuasive

Hope the voyage goes well Bart, I wished time and place commitments could work alongside 'weather gods' anomalies or I would have joined the cruise.

Should be a great season for you in PM and look forward to the cruise reports.

 

[MapisM]

as you know you're very welcome, and even more S !

LOL, I know what you have in mind, but beware: we recently spent a week in South Tyrol for detox and diet, and since then her cooking habits became more strict, I'm afraid...
All understood anyway, let's stay in touch in the next weeks, it would be nice if we can make it happen.

yes I heard about that, there was a Italian guy who convinced that forumite to stay one season around sardegna

Funny you should mention that, because I'm not pleading guilty this time.
I mean, yes, I guess I might have contributed with my own views.
But I recently introduced him to a friend of mine who is also a keen boater.
A former raggie, now in his mid 60s and converted to slow motorboating.
In spite of that, he didn't pass the opportunity to go for an ARC last year (3k+ NM in 3 weeks!), just to give an idea of how much he loves cruising.
And he also choose Southern Sardinia as a summer base.
I suspect that also his opinion had something to see with the choice of our forumite friend...

 

[michaf]

I don't understand the benefits of having a heavy dinghy on the fly based on the plus/minus. I've seen them trying to lift them while rocking and swinging, it can get ugly. It adds so much weight high up lifting the cg. It's expensive, a crane is crazy expensive. You can't emergency launch. It's harder to work on the dingy. All the maintenance stuff is at the lower deck, you need to take everything up. When cleaning the dinghy all washouts flow down on the cockpit. You don't launch "just for a quick run". Launching is a two people biz. On a rough ride having it unstrapping can lead to pretty catastrophic consequences. Usually when it's rough you take the lower helm, hence loosing sight of it. All this to have a clear swim platform? Don't have a swim platform that can take one? Get one fitted, it will spare you costs in the long run and you will enjoy all the new space!

Here's a pic of ours. It stands on 3 pivoting davits that you can remove with a pin (1500 USD). I lift it with a Warn wireless remote winch fitted at the back of the fly (300 USD). When the boats rocks and swings I just get enough winch line out, when the dinghy approaches the davits it just locks and gets pulled. It takes me 30 seconds to have it on the platform, alone. Our jet is 300kg plus. With all the disadvantages of the on flybridge solution becoming advantages.

I'm sure many people will find reasons to disagree, and of course it all comes down to personal preferences. Anyway, this is what works for me, all of it for under 2000 USD for carrying a 300kg jet rib...



BTW, It's drone foooootage time! Here's one I took not so long ago!

 

[MapisM]

I don't understand the benefits of having a heavy dinghy on the fly based on the plus/minus.

Well, as you also said, it all comes down to personal preference, 'cause there are obvious pros and cons with both alternatives, so each to their own.
But just to mention a no brainer situation, that's if you wish/need a tender which exceeds the boat beam.
Try to carry around this thing on a swim platform, if you can!

 

[michaf]

Another no go is for sport fishing boats....

 

[jfm]

I don't understand the benefits of having a heavy dinghy on the fly based on the plus/minus. I've seen them trying to lift them while rocking and swinging, it can get ugly. ... You can't emergency launch. It's harder to work on the dingy. All the maintenance stuff is at the lower deck, you need to take everything up. When cleaning the dinghy all washouts flow down on the cockpit. You don't launch "just for a quick run". Launching is a two people biz. On a rough ride having it unstrapping can lead to pretty catastrophic consequences. ... All this to have a clear swim platform?

I agree all of that 100%. My thoughts exactly

Actually I do have a second tender on the flybridge, namely a Laser sailboat, used 1/10th as often ads the main tender. Launching it with the crane involves all the palaver you refer to. The main tender needs to be on the swim platform imho.

All that said, many folks disagree!

Loved the drone footage btw

 

[jfm]

Try to carry around this thing on a swim platform, if you can!

If you can? More like if you want! I'm just trying to figure out what possessed thst owner to spec such a tender, bearing in mind the rather nice mother ship which implies the owner isn't any newbie. Heavy build and 80hp motor - niiice. Westmarine catalogue bimini with plastic fittings and telescopic "one size fits all" adjustment - niiiice too! But the grey carpet, yes carpet, is something else!

I can hardly bring myself to mention the welded on plate detail on the corner of the crane thing, there because perhaps they couldn't decide whether the diagonal strut was enough. That really is truly awful

 

[michaf]

What about the wheels? And the mini crane on it... There must be some specific use for the thing, let's make it a quiz!