New build Sanlorenzo SL96A 2024

jfm said:
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nice thread John (my first post in this megathread!)
had to lol on the side elevation of the man in shorts.
First time I see that, when we do that in "proper" building drawings it's a guy in long trousers or a lady in a dress 😁

looking v.good (unsurprisingly!)

cheers
V.
 
Just a thought not sure how applicable this point is ?
Read in Barche ( Dual Language Italian Mobo mag majoring on this thread size boat 80 ftrs+ and upwards) ….that @ build you can or maybe should hire a surveyor to at your or SL s convenience occasionally pop in to the yard and check stuff out .Jointly sign off stuff .

For want of better forum example so you do not end up with P bracket thickness of 5 mm that happened a few yrs ago with Turkish glassed up Pearl - which subsequently sunk , with the new owner successfully sued Pearl .

I know SL are right up there build wise .Realise you are up there build wise fit out etc etc .But is there any other 3 P professional input on the biggie hull bit(s) .

I get the engine manufacturer will sign off the instal btw ..so that’s covered I assume for there warranty pov .At the end the day it’s bolt in and out part the motors .

Call me cautious but a 3p sign off file of the hull + superstructure ( the glass work ) as well as you own piece of mind , might be useful for the residual value ,Especially if the yard in some future date is the subject of scandal ….like Pearl / Oyster et al where .
 
Yup I'm aware that you can hire a surveyor to supervise the build but I don't want it. Reason is that it would just add so my workload - I would have to exchange 500 emails with the surveyor, I suspect disagreeing with surveyor a bit, and putting up potentially with surveyor taking over the project a bit and telling me what I want.

Each to their own on this but I definitely don't want it. I understand the risk/reward balance. This boat isn't made in China and the P brackets aren't going to fall off. In "planet 30m boat" this is a Rolls Royce. I have spent days at the factory and the passionate approach to boat building (as distinct from workers hired at the job centre who couldn't care less) is tangible. It's Tuscany and many of the boat builders are children / grandchildren of boatbuilders.

Not criticising your point one bit and it might make sense for plenty of people, but I just don't want it :)

I have been flying there often and will continue to - it's an easy day trip or 24hour trip. They kindly send a 7 series to meet me off the plane and I'm on 1st name terms with the driver :)
 
jfm said:
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Spot on.
And I'm not saying this because I'm obviously biased towards IT boatbuilding industry, but also for another crucial reason.
Chinese boatbuilders (and to some extent this applies also to Taiwanese, though they care a bit more about their own reputation, in fairness) are very hard to control even for the brand "owners" themselves.
I mean, Marlow, Grand Banks, ORY, Fleming, Nordhavn... You name it.
All these folks only have someone representing them and staying at the yard to follow the actual construction process. And he usually can't wait for the next flight back to the US for a break.
So, even this chap, who is supposed to be the controller, is relatively easy to be fooled by the locals, who are only interested to get boats out of their door as fast as possible and get paid from the official "builder".

Trouble is, anyone hoping to solve this dilemma by going the surveyor route must either pay an outrageous amount of money to convince an experienced European or American engineer to spend a year or more in such sh!te place, or hire someone locally - good luck with that.
That's the reason why I would only consider going this route if the seller (and the actual building yard) would accept in the contract to have myself around 7 days a week for the whole duration of the build.
And assuming I would fancy the idea of course - which I don't, 'cause life is way too short.

I don't think I need to say how different this is when buying from an established builder whose reputation is directly at stake, and who know that sweeping their own mistakes under the rug is a strategy bound to fire back PDQ...
 
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Just interested that’s all .The Italian mag article was aimed at Italian yards .Nothing to see in MapishM s far East post ^ .

In Monaco not sure which is the larger group of “ Professionals “ .

Allegedly prostitutes or Yacht project managers ;) .

Some one’s keeping them busy . Not me I hasten to add btw .

Boils down to personal “ risk / reward balance “ That’s hard to quantify and frankly none of our business .

Personally I would find out what everyone else mostly does .Take soundings .If out of the past 21 SL s same modal 17 had a Varagio / Genoa snooper , sorry surveyor interfering then thats a msg .
If it turns out you were by hull # twenty odd the first punter to annoy the SL sales guy ( or target yard ) with this suggestion, then its a “ wind your neck in time “ and roll with it .

If it was built to a code ( priced in of course ) , then presume the coding society would need to visit @ key stages and sign it off .Builder ,totally familiar unphazed by all this ?

BTW does a ultra low hull number spook anyone? I mean anyone been wowed at a show signed up for hull #2 or worse after watching a DVD hull #1 yet unbuilt ?

Old boats don’t really count as by 5,10 , 15 yrs if any serious structural defects haven’t surfaced they won’t .Eg your keel dropping off or P bracket puncturing etc .

Do any of the new boat buyers on here actually weigh up there hull No ?
 
Portofino said:
Just interested that’s all .The Italian mag article was aimed at Italian yards .Nothing to see in MapishM s far East post ^ .
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Huh? You used the example of Pearl, not me.
Which BTW, in the context of a SL build thread, is laughable to the point of not being funny... :unsure:
 
Portofino said:
Just interested that’s all .The Italian mag article was aimed at Italian yards .Nothing to see in MapishM s far East post ^ .

In Monaco not sure which is the larger group of “ Professionals “ .

Allegedly prostitutes or Yacht project managers ;) .

Some one’s keeping them busy . Not me I hasten to add btw .

Boils down to personal “ risk / reward balance “ That’s hard to quantify and frankly none of our business .

Personally I would find out what everyone else mostly does .Take soundings .If out of the past 21 SL s same modal 17 had a Varagio / Genoa snooper , sorry surveyor interfering then thats a msg .
If it turns out you were by hull # twenty odd the first punter to annoy the SL sales guy ( or target yard ) with this suggestion, then its a “ wind your neck in time “ and roll with it .

If it was built to a code ( priced in of course ) , then presume the coding society would need to visit @ key stages and sign it off .Builder ,totally familiar unphazed by all this ?

BTW does a ultra low hull number spook anyone? I mean anyone been wowed at a show signed up for hull #2 or worse after watching a DVD hull #1 yet unbuilt ?

Old boats don’t really count as by 5,10 , 15 yrs if any serious structural defects haven’t surfaced they won’t .Eg your keel dropping off or P bracket puncturing etc .

Do any of the new boat buyers on here actually weigh up there hull No ?
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Pros and cons of using your own surveyor to sign off the build.

Muddies the liability trail if a problem emerges on an item they’ve signed off and if they only observe then you’ve paid for 18 months of someone’s time for not much benefit.

As jfm says, he’s considered the risk/reward metrics and chosen the route that works for him in terms of who to trust, their ability to stand behind a product and his own level of participation.

But, as you rightly say, retaining your own project supervisor is going to work for others on other projects.
 
Portofino said:
Just interested that’s all .The Italian mag article was aimed at Italian yards .Nothing to see in MapishM s far East post ^ .

In Monaco not sure which is the larger group of “ Professionals “ .

Allegedly prostitutes or Yacht project managers ;) .

Some one’s keeping them busy . Not me I hasten to add btw .

Boils down to personal “ risk / reward balance “ That’s hard to quantify and frankly none of our business .

Personally I would find out what everyone else mostly does .Take soundings .If out of the past 21 SL s same modal 17 had a Varagio / Genoa snooper , sorry surveyor interfering then thats a msg .
If it turns out you were by hull # twenty odd the first punter to annoy the SL sales guy ( or target yard ) with this suggestion, then its a “ wind your neck in time “ and roll with it .

If it was built to a code ( priced in of course ) , then presume the coding society would need to visit @ key stages and sign it off .Builder ,totally familiar unphazed by all this ?

BTW does a ultra low hull number spook anyone? I mean anyone been wowed at a show signed up for hull #2 or worse after watching a DVD hull #1 yet unbuilt ?

Old boats don’t really count as by 5,10 , 15 yrs if any serious structural defects haven’t surfaced they won’t .Eg your keel dropping off or P bracket puncturing etc .

Do any of the new boat buyers on here actually weigh up there hull No ?
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Mines hull no 1……..hopefully add to its value 🤣
 
That is some ship you are having built there.

A little suggestion. Why not have a smallish family time capsule moulded in the hull somewhere to be found in who knows how many years time by who knows who.
 
Colin, with great sadness I had to let go with the last boat that beautiful carbon/ stainless ensign staff with internal cord mechanism.
The new boat has just an “ordinary” thing with a little cleat for the rope. Might have to draw something that you can re-engineer properly! :)

No the courtesy flag auto putter upperer problem hasn’t been cracked yet :unsure:
 
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Hi jfm - might I ask a few questions about anchoring this big beast?

Obvs: what type of anchor? 🤣 and are there any choices or are the pockets designed for a specific type?

Will you have sufficient chain to make anchoring in deep water practicable if you have to deploy outside the 20m contour? Does this mean in practice ~200m (x2) of s/s chain? Or perhaps you will have extra scope on one anchor?

Will you deploy/retrieve purely on camera or have a deckie at the bow as well?

Guessing that in your home berth you will be able to use bow lines, but what sort of split do you expect between harbours where you will be able to do that and ones where you will have to deploy an anchor?

Do you expect ever to deploy both anchors at the same time or would such conditions be more likely to persuade you to start the engines and go somewhere else?
 
benjenbav said:
Do you expect ever to deploy both anchors at the same time or would such conditions be more likely to persuade you to start the engines and go somewhere else?
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No idea about jfm expectations in this respect, but having spent 17 years with a twin pocket anchors boat (albeit much smaller at 53') in my experience there's never any reason to drop both anchors together, unless tied astern - either ashore or in a dock with no (or not long enough) bow lines.
The maneuver is a bit tricky BTW, so you'd rather use just one anchor also when tied astern, unless some substantial crosswind is blowing, or predicted.
 
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