New Boat, Swedish Delta "Yacht" - anyone got any info? Jack?

I doubt they will bother to get it to the Oslo show as it is held indoors in a stadium and it would be quite a project getting it there.

I drove and took a look at a 26 Open this summer and it did not impress. The decks was flexing, the lowest point of the deck was in the centre of the "U" sofa and did not have a drain so lots of water was gathering there. The helm ergonomics was not good, the mooring gear appeared more for looks and so on. The ride was on the hard side and lots of engine noise (VP D3)
Sort of things you would not see a well known scandinavian builder like Windy, Nimbus or Nord West would do.

It just felt like it was all about design and not engineered properly.
Just my opinion on this one boat...

Of course a 80 footer will be in a different league, but the engineering and qualityimpression surprised me.
 
sap_2000 said:
I doubt they will bother to get it to the Oslo show as it is held indoors in a stadium and it would be quite a project getting it there.
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You're right - just heard from Lars and he says that #1 may make it to one of the Scandi in-water shows and #2 is destined for Cannes next year.
 
benjenbav said:
To my mind that is a beautiful boat. I saw echoes both of Steve Dashew's "Wind Horse" and Steve Jobs' "Venus" and I guess the idea of people doing a double take as they drive along the Corniche past Villefranche is not a displeasing thought. :D

I wasn't too sure about the f/b. It looks small on #1 but I thought it looked a bit heavy on the p/shopped mock-up.

I didn't like the interior very much in the pictures and wondered if #1 had been built as a generic to show the space available without asking too many leading questions.
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Agreed BJB - would be quite a head turner anchored in villefranche!
I think the interior is generally ok. I mean, it needs fixing, but the amount of changes needed to get it right isn't huge. All perfectly do-able in a normal customisation program, imho. The lower dashboard is terrible (looks like they used a left-over high school project to make an electric piano) but that's a small issue. Much bigger issue would be modifying the mould tool, or doing a cut'n'shut, to stretch the flybridge overhang so you can have a decent lunch table up there. The p/shop was very rough and could be improved. The fundamentals of this machine - carbon, fuel burn, striking looks, great hull volume to work with, it fits in my berth, etc still make this a potentially nice project
 
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I think she looks stunning, practical and fleet of (fore)foot!

I would add to JFM's mods list the anchor set up by putting one on either side of the bow rather than the one in the vid that is precariously hanging over the front which would no doubt foul or bounce up and down the vertical bow. I am not sure about the stern steps either but they might be fab in the flesh.
 
wakeup said:
I am not sure about the stern steps either but they might be fab in the flesh.
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Funny you should mention that, because while looking at the pics on their website I also thought that they must have ran out of good ideas by the time they reached the stern...
...It's by far the less consistent element of the overall exterior design, imho.
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Otoh, I don't think pocket anchors (if that's what you mean) would be feasible in that bow, though.
Yes, the anchor could touch the bow also with the bow roller in the pics, mostly while lowering or pulling the hook I would think, but it's just a matter of fitting a s/steel protection right along the bow - which could also look nice, btw.
With pocket anchors, more than likely the chain would scratch the hull in strong wind, when the boat is swinging around.
And since in such conditions the chain is under tension, the potential damages would be much worse.
A problem that doesn't exist with the bow roller, whose chain would never interfere with the hull while tensioned.
 
Yup, that must be right as regards pocket anchors MM. Also I agree with you that the stern is the least consistent bit of the design. It wouldn't stop me buying the boat, but it's not fantastic. There's a little hinged triangle-shaped door to allow the passerelle to poke thru and it seems to be manually operated. There is zero clearance in the passerelle letterbox height so you gotta make 100% sure the auto-stations fold perfectly flat and just wait till the angle/height sensor on the passerelle fails, which it will - Besenzoni owners will know what I mean and would love an extra 50mm here. More generally, I'd much prefer no garage, no Transformer, plus an up/down platform, but each to their own on that. Can anyone tell whether that Williams is 325 or 385? (because 325 is pretty small for a boat of this size)

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All that said, the picture below is pretty remarkable. Shows the boat at 37 knots, and wow she is flying high and flat

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I think, that if you look at the boat stern on, the reason for the steps is to try and maintain the square profile, but it looks odd from any other angle than perpendicular view to the stern.

I don't see why pocket anchors (thanks, didn't know what they were called) wouldn't work any more or less than i've seen on other yachts of this size with them. I think it would accentuate the look of the bow also.
 
Fishtigua said:
Hi Jack, I sent this forum to Lars to have a look at the other day. Hope you don't mind.
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Fishtigua, any chance you could persuade Lars to join in here? Yachtforums is perfectly ok of course and the owner of the site is very successful in getting news and pictures, but there is little substantive discussion on real boating issues and technicalities, no boat build threads or crusing threads (at least, so far as I have seen - the forum structure is very salami-sliced) and you get the impression very few posters are real boat buyers/users/engineers/etc. For example all of the post since the delta80 pictures were posted basically say "Wow that's fantastic", which is perfectly true but there is more to this boat than that!
 
wakeup said:
I don't see why pocket anchors (thanks, didn't know what they were called) wouldn't work any more or less than i've seen on other yachts of this size with them.
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The pockets would be above the chinelet where there is no flare, and very aft of the stem due to the plumb bow, and in a strong wind the chain would be quite tight on a boat of this size, at say 45 degrees from horizontal. Therefore, as the boat sails around its anchor in a wind the chain would rub hard on the hull side for ~50% of the time. You could protect it with s/s strips/sheets of course. Pockets work fine if there is bow flare and/or a traditional raked stem, but this boat has neither. Happy to be shown to be wrong, but that's my gut feel. I agree that pockets would look better - they always do!

Thanks for the Williams 385 confirmation - that's good going
 
More generally, I'd much prefer no garage, no Transformer, plus an up/down platform, but each to their own on that.
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For the life of me, I don't understand why boat designers put tenders in garages even on a boat this size. Not only does it take up valuable storage or accommodation space but I guess in the case of the Delta, the garage sits over the top of the engines/IPS drives reducing headroom and hindering access. If you get them to extend the flybridge overhang, would you not put the tender up top or would that space still be for the Laser?

All that said, the picture below is pretty remarkable. Shows the boat at 37 knots, and wow she is flying high and flat
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Mmm, I'd be interested to see how that bluff bow punches through a F7 in the N Sea at 37kts rather than a Swedish lake:)
 
jfm said:
More generally, I'd much prefer no garage, no Transformer, plus an up/down platform, but each to their own on that.
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+1 all that. And also on your further explanations to wakeup on pocket anchors.
Re. the passerelle, I'd rather get rid of the Besenzoni altogether, fit a Bitecnomare instead, and forget any sort of troubles.
 
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the garage sits over the top of the engines/IPS drives reducing headroom and hindering access.
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Mmm, I'd be interested to see how that bluff bow punches through a F7 in the N Sea at 37kts rather than a Swedish lake:)
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Re. engines access, I would think/expect that the garage floor can be fully opened, hence granting a fantastic e/r access.
Though that would require the rib to be thrown in the water of course, which in the Med could be a bit of a problem without moving the boat from her berth.
But as I said, I wouldn't want the garage to start with - and neither IPS, for that matter.

Re. the bow, actually it's supposed to cut better (=more softly) through wakes, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
It should improve the displacement speed performance though, which ain't trivial.
Apropos, makes me wonder if they considered the option of running only on the 2 side engines, or even with just the center one (assuming it's steerable, which isn't necessarily true).
 
jfm said:
Fishtigua, any chance you could persuade Lars to join in here? Yachtforums is perfectly ok of course and the owner of the site is very successful in getting news and pictures, but there is little substantive discussion on real boating issues and technicalities, no boat build threads or crusing threads (at least, so far as I have seen - the forum structure is very salami-sliced) and you get the impression very few posters are real boat buyers/users/engineers/etc. For example all of the post since the delta80 pictures were posted basically say "Wow that's fantastic", which is perfectly true but there is more to this boat than that!
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Hi.
Yes I know there are a few Fan-Boyz that post on YF but when one of your senior members and moderator has designed the boat, one tends to go a little easy on him. I think it's a cracking boat, but also would change a few things if it was mine to run.

Many of the members on YF are fulltime Captains, Engineers and Designers. I have worked with quite a few over the last 25 years, some on very large yachts (one or two based in Antibes, funnily enough). There are some very good technical posts worth reading. Cruise postings are pretty boring, I don't give a stuff about what marina bogs and restaurants are like.

I'm sure Lars will be reading this forum now he's heard about it. He PMed me to say he was interested, and mostly pleased, in what was being said here.
 
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