Nantucket Clipper

[Wansworth]

One for sale in Galicia at 16,000 ,bit out of my league but with creative thinking……..any comments ,looks an interesting Yawl…..or ketch?

 

[Buck Turgidson]

Way overpriced. But as you’re not buying that’s not really important. ?

 

[Wansworth]

Way overpriced. But as you’re not buying that’s not really important. ?

As Galicia is sort of cut off from most of Spainthe prices are higher I agree still maybe they will take an offer………if I was offering?

 

[srm]

One made a circumnavigation with a couple from Turkiya, boat is now in a museum in Istanbul.

I quite fancied one in the 70's until I discovered that the accommodation and waterline length was the same as my Trintella 29. Basically, its a 29 ft boat with a beak, but nice looking.

 

[Wansworth]

One made a circumnavigation with a couple from Turkiya, boat is now in a museum in Istanbul.

I quite fancied one in the 70's until I discovered that the accommodation and waterline length was the same as my Trintella 29. Basically, its a 29 ft boat with a beak, but nice looking.

Vía the Panama?………yes the overall length ,your paying for naval architect madness?

 

[johnalison]

Perfectly good boats in their way but designed at a time when most boats were on moorings and length was not an issue. There are still a good many around which seem to have lasted well.

 

[dunedin]

Perfectly good boats in their way but designed at a time when most boats were on moorings and length was not an issue. There are still a good many around which seem to have lasted well.

+1. Late father in law had one, beautiful boat and yawl relaxing to sail (though big genoa as fashion of the day). Compact but practical interior.
BUT as noted designed for days of moorings. Not just extra expense of length, like most long keel yachts, a pig to manoeuvre in marinas.

 

[Concerto]

We always refered to them as a Nantucket Bucket.

 

[Wansworth]

Thanks for imputs

 

[burgundyben]

A chum of mine bought one in Holland and set off to take it home to Cork, the seller assured him of the route to the sea that allowed passage without dropping the stick.

Either the seller was wrong or my chum took a wrong turn, eitherway, stick ended up on the deck.

I'm still reminding him and it was 30 years ago.

?

 

[LONG_KEELER]

Pretty, with a high row away factor.
There was one at our club. Poor windward performer due to low profile rigs .
She went like stink on a reach though with an extra sail between the masts.
As mentioned, not very practical in year 2022 but when did that stop us buying boats we like the look of.

 

[Wansworth]

Pretty, with a high row away factor.
There was one at our club. Poor windward performer due to low profile rigs .
She went like stink on a reach though with an extra sail between the masts.
As mentioned, not very practical in year 2022 but when did that stop us buying boats we like the look of.

Having considered previous points I have to concede that the row away factor does not out weigh the marina cost of the bowsprit and clipper bow?

 

[dunedin]

I have also noticed previously the ones on moorings in Loch Ranza tended to pitch fore and aft more than most of the other baots on the moorings. Perhaps due to the relatively short waterline, lot of weight in the ends and aloft?

 

[Wansworth]

I have also noticed previously the ones on moorings in Loch Ranza tended to pitch fore and aft more than most of the other baots on the moorings. Perhaps due to the relatively short waterline, lot of weight in the ends and aloft?

The clipper bow probably doesn’t helpwith narrowerwaterlines at the bow and less buoyancy.I wonder why Buchanan a renowned designer decided on a clipper bow or was it the sales department of Offshore yachts in Royston?

 

[dunedin]

The clipper bow probably doesn’t helpwith narrowerwaterlines at the bow and less buoyancy.I wonder why Buchanan a renowned designer decided on a clipper bow or was it the sales department of Offshore yachts in Royston?

Why do people buy boats with narrow hulls, , long overhangs etc ? Or indeed pay extra for less when buying “coupe“ versions of cars and SUVs. It’s looks and style over function - but seem to sell.

 

[Wansworth]

Certainly in wood making a clipper bow is difficult.Theorigin must be in the clipper ships with the idea that the clipper bow would cleave its way through the seas.On the other hand there are the Baltic Schooners and ketches that are rounded bows also deigned for loadcarrying…..but not so fast

 

[srm]

Why do people buy boats with narrow hulls, , long overhangs etc ? Or indeed pay extra for less when buying “coupe“ versions of cars and SUVs. It’s looks and style over function - but seem to sell.

Well now, to start with they look elegant, sail very well, are seaworthy in all conditions, and rarely if ever looses a keel or rudder.

I sailed an eight metre cruiser/racer for nine years as an RYA sailing school and charter yacht. Designed by McGruer but built in steel in Belgium. She was well over design weight due to construction and a large diesel added by previous owner so waterline was longer than design. 30ft waterline, 42ft on deck, 10ft max beam at one point over the tumblehome and sloop rig. Cruising displacement about 10 tons.

In light airs she sailed upright so less wetted area and would ghost along under large nylon cruising chute. As the wind increased she heeled and extended the waterline length. Handling under sail was predictable with a well balanced hull whatever the angle of heel and was tolerant of an unbalanced sail plan. Perhaps slower than modern skimming dish hulls, but a much more comfortable motion in any seaway according to charter guests. Close hauled in calmish waters hull speed was 7knots, a bit over 8 on a broad reach or run as the stern wave supported the counter. These speeds are from nautical miles logged over one hour, not magic peaks of a few seconds on GPS. Based in Shetland her cruising area was from the south coast of England, west coat Scotland and Norway to north of the arctic circle. For five years we made regular crossings between Shetland and Norway, a few in gale conditions, without incident.

These type of boats were not designed for the marina/berthing costs calculated by the decimetre, maximum caravan volume and luxury apartment facilities era. They belong to a time when function dictated form and reliable seaworthyness under sail was paramount.

I have sailed modern wide transom boats with his and hers wheels (though only when paid to do so) and in strong winds found them downright uncomfortable and difficult to handle lacking both hull form and sail balance compared to the old McGruer design. Obviously a case of internal accommodation and styling taking priority over seaworthyness.

 

[dunedin]

Well now, to start with they look elegant, sail very well, are seaworthy in all conditions, and rarely if ever looses a keel or rudder.

I sailed an eight metre cruiser/racer for nine years as an RYA sailing school and charter yacht. Designed by McGruer but built in steel in Belgium. She was well over design weight due to construction and a large diesel added by previous owner so waterline was longer than design. 30ft waterline, 42ft on deck, 10ft max beam at one point over the tumblehome and sloop rig. Cruising displacement about 10 tons.

In light airs she sailed upright so less wetted area and would ghost along under large nylon cruising chute. As the wind increased she heeled and extended the waterline length. Handling under sail was predictable with a well balanced hull whatever the angle of heel and was tolerant of an unbalanced sail plan. Perhaps slower than modern skimming dish hulls, but a much more comfortable motion in any seaway according to charter guests. Close hauled in calmish waters hull speed was 7knots, a bit over 8 on a broad reach or run as the stern wave supported the counter. These speeds are from nautical miles logged over one hour, not magic peaks of a few seconds on GPS. Based in Shetland her cruising area was from the south coast of England, west coat Scotland and Norway to north of the arctic circle. For five years we made regular crossings between Shetland and Norway, a few in gale conditions, without incident.

These type of boats were not designed for the marina/berthing costs calculated by the decimetre, maximum caravan volume and luxury apartment facilities era. They belong to a time when function dictated form and reliable seaworthyness under sail was paramount.

I have sailed modern wide transom boats with his and hers wheels (though only when paid to do so) and in strong winds found them downright uncomfortable and difficult to handle lacking both hull form and sail balance compared to the old McGruer design. Obviously a case of internal accommodation and styling taking priority over seaworthyness.

My comment was replying to a post saying why was a Nantucket Clipper designed with the clipper bow - which was for perceived style.

But can’t really say that an 8-Metre was designed “when function dictated form and reliable seaworthiness under sail was paramount”.
Undoubtedly the shape and form of the 8-Metre class, like all the other Metre boats, which were built for racing, was largely dictated by the quirks of the Metre class rule.
A lot of the long overhangs of that era, and the previous one, was due to the way length was measured,often focussed on LWL and giving “free” length of the overhangs. A different racing rule would produce very different shapes.

 

[srm]

My comment was replying to a post saying why was a Nantucket Clipper designed with the clipper bow - which was for perceived style.

But can’t really say that an 8-Metre was designed “when function dictated form and reliable seaworthiness under sail was paramount”.
Undoubtedly the shape and form of the 8-Metre class, like all the other Metre boats, which were built for racing, was largely dictated by the quirks of the Metre class rule.
A lot of the long overhangs of that era, and the previous one, was due to the way length was measured,often focussed on LWL and giving “free” length of the overhangs. A different racing rule would produce very different shapes.

I agree with your comments about the quirks of the mete rule that became more extreme with time. However, the 8 metre C/R was a post war development in the 50's attempting to keep the class relevant and avoided the extremes of the "pure" eights. For instance the rule stated that there had to be cruising accommodation with four fixed berths, the bottom of the keel had to be parallel to the waterline to allow for slipping and storage ashore, and an inboard auxiliary engine.

McGruer's designs for the class were very much of the era and had similar lines to other cruising boats such as designs by Sparkman and Stevens in the US and Camper and Nicholson in the UK. Perhaps the rules at the time were biased towards seaworthy hull forms, but designers showed an understanding of a ballanced hull form and seaworthyness. All this was thrown out by the IOR rules that, for instance, penalised sensible ballast ratios and favoured form stability. If you doubt this look up the casualty lists for 1979 Fasnet race and subsequent articles in the yachting press, especially PBO.

 

[Wansworth]

Shame that cruising yacht design followed the racing boats into massive genoas and small mains.