My ideal 30 foot yacht

TSB240 said:
I am going to follow the well know forum phenomenon of recommending the boat you have....

No shower or hot water.

But we tick most of the other boxes

Hanse 291/301.

I wont mention how fast it is just to say I am very happy to cruise in company with smaller or bigger boats!

Forget it if you are 6 foot 6... But that would probably apply to any boat!

Not unhappy with German build and finish other than the faded blue water and coach roof line.
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I was thinking of the 301 when the OP mentioned self tacking jib.

To continue the trend my Dufour 30 does have H & C with a shower in the heads.

but no self tacking jib :(

Or for that matter a skeg hung rudder.

OP do you really need a Skeg hung?


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shaunksb said:
I was thinking of the 301 when the OP mentioned self tacking jib.

To continue the trend my Dufour 30 does have H & C with a shower in the heads.

but no self tacking jib :(

Or for that matter a skeg hung rudder.

OP do you really need a Skeg hung?


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Well, I've seen so many failed blade rudders (another one this weekend past) that it's something that does not appeal to me from an engineering viewpoint. A semi balanced rudder with bearing at the top and bottom makes sense. On a similar vein I would never consider a saildrive unit as they just don't make sense from an engineering perspective.
 
Malo37 said:
On a similar vein I would never consider a saildrive unit as they just don't make sense from an engineering perspective.
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Oh well that's boogered it for the Hanse and Dufour then...

I'm actually looking forward to my saildrive as I got fed up changing cutless bearings on the shaft drive on my Jeanneau 34.


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Malo37 said:
High quality build, two full size comfortable berths, separate shower, decent galley, diesel inboard, medium keel and skeg hung rudder, medium displacement, self tacking jib, good sailing performance, modest draft.
Considering downsizing - does such a boat exist?
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Amel Fango
 
Freedom 30 - either wishbone or junk rigged. One for sale now for £15000 with newish Beta, new sails and fully equipped - bargain!
 
shaunksb said:
Oh well that's boogered it for the Hanse and Dufour then...

I'm actually looking forward to my saildrive as I got fed up changing cutless bearings on the shaft drive on my Jeanneau 34.


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I had a similar prejudice to the OP for years until I bought the current boat, (I could find nothing of the same quality or performance with a shaft). Since then we have had to use a vacuum cleaner to get the dust out of the bilges. A bone dry boat is a luxury you do not appreciate until you experience it.
 
Quandary said:
I had a similar prejudice to the OP for years until I bought the current boat, (I could find nothing of the same quality or performance with a shaft). Since then we have had to use a vacuum cleaner to get the dust out of the bilges. A bone dry boat is a luxury you do not appreciate until you experience it.
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Exactly. Same as the prejudice against spade rudder. Based on the rare failures which usually have an explanation not directly related to the design and ignoring the tens of thousands in use without any problems. Once one has experienced the feel of a well balanced spade rudder you appreciate why they are almost universal now.
 
These threads always end up with some bigot telling the OP he is a bigot and that his ideas are wrong.

Though, in this case as suggested, he may have to put up with a compormise.
 
doug748 said:
These threads always end up with some bigot telling the OP he is a bigot and that his ideas are wrong.

Though, in this case as suggested, he may have to put up with a compormise.
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Not wrong. Just suggesting that the evidence suggests that much of the prejudice is unfounded.

However, one can always choose ones evidence to suit your prejudice. Better to ask the question than provide the answer that suits you. In this case the overwhelming evidence does not provide that answer.
 
Tranona said:
Exactly. Same as the prejudice against spade rudder. Based on the rare failures which usually have an explanation not directly related to the design and ignoring the tens of thousands in use without any problems. Once one has experienced the feel of a well balanced spade rudder you appreciate why they are almost universal now.
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There's a long and well documented history of many (probably hundreds) rudder failures of all types, but mostly spade rudders and mostly failure of the stock at the hull penetration. Not a prejudice, just looking at the available data. I was very surprised to see during this past winter that a largish Jeanneau i.e. 45 ft plus had a GRP stock. To me that's an unnecessary cost saving induced risk.
Regarding my opinion of saildrives, I just don't see the logic of cutting a big hole in the bottom of your boat, arranging the power train so it has to go through two 90 degree direction changes with all the additional moving parts and bearings, having the final gearbox underwater and finally encasing the whole thing in highly corrosion prone aluminium.
 
Tranona said:
Exactly. Same as the prejudice against spade rudder. Based on the rare failures which usually have an explanation not directly related to the design and ignoring the tens of thousands in use without any problems. Once one has experienced the feel of a well balanced spade rudder you appreciate why they are almost universal now.
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one in 10,000--- ???
Mine broke in the Murray Firth, just east of the bridge, last year
So 9,999 of you can sigh with relief. Just which 9,999 though, that is the question

Oh & it split vertically
 
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