More on the Bavaria keel problems...

Re Jonjo . Yes ,I was thinking of the practicalities of doing a really sound repair ,and was referring to the symptoms as described on the boatdesign.net/forum at the beginning of this thread . Clearly ,once a separation between hull and grid has occured ,due to inadequate keel support during the manufacturing process ,then .... My concern is that once that bond fails ,how does one determine whether the hull laminate ITSELF has been overstressed by the repeated flexure from the keel leverage.-take a core sample ,tap it with an 'ammer ,UV light ,crack detection fluids?
For my own piece of mind ,and obviously this is imho ,what i did to MY boat -and here is the key ,I had a little money ,I had a place to do it ,I had an affordable source of materials ,and I had the time so allowing a very thorough yet still economic repair-I bonded a grid onto the hull laminate and effectively relaminated the whole midships section of the hull itself ,3metres fore/aft and athwart up to the waterline ,which meant removing the interior etc.It was a 26 foot Pearson (USA ,mid-low end production boat ) .
Again ,imho Re Broken Bavaria examples , I would be concerned about the practicalities of rebonding the existing grid ,without actually removing enough interior as to enable the grid to be lifted up ,and the hull and grid properly keyed with a grinder..and at that point of dismantling ,it is so easy to ''go beyond'' and apply additional laminate across the whole pan ,as to leave no doubt whatsoever in the future as to the structural integrity of the Boat and manufactures reputation .
I do apologise if I was worrying you at all, it would indeed be helpful if a copy of the designers mod were to appear on the net , if only in the interest of transparency and reputation and in fairness to all existing owners .
 
You correctly raise an important issue.

There is the CE mark and the recreational craft directive which I am sure gives this Yacht a catagory A for Ocean. Clearly the letter posted about the other 42 indicates there is a strength problem at the Keel/Hull interface.

Who is responsible for monitoring the design & build quality of modern boats or can anyone set up "Davy Jones Boatbuilding" and providing they can sell them build boats that are so inferior they all sink.

For the UK didn't all designs and build quality have to be approved by Lloyds or was that only in the bad old days!

Who is responsible now? does anyone out there know?
 
Re: Keel area photo

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I will try to upload some pictures of the GRP grid structure that takes the keel load in my Match 35.

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Thought this photo would help paint a picture of generally substantial keel support that is perhaps let down by some details that can be corrected.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a340/BavariaMatch35/KeelGridWhole.jpg

For the engineers out there:

The keel is hung on 11 bolts that emerge into 3 wells formed between 4 transverse support GRP beams. Each beam is about 85cm long x 10cm wide x 19cm deep. Distance between the beams is 300cm.

The hull is bonded by some thin CSM tabbing that extends about 8cm to 10cm up the side of the beam and 10cm over the hull.
 
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Re Jonjo... I do apologise if I was worrying you at all, it would indeed be helpful if a copy of the designers mod were to appear on the net , if only in the interest of transparency and reputation and in fairness to all existing owners .

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No problem, I sense you are interested in the true technical issues and unlike some you are not feasting on the story.

The proposed J&J modification for the Match 38's and 42's can be seen at this link.

http://www.bavariayachtbau.de/typo3/index.php?id=66

I understand you comment that once the hull has separated from the grid and flexed under the keel weight in a seaway, then the degree of relamination required could be much greater.

In a perverse way I hope that Bavaria do belatedly decide that the Match 35 design would also benefit from the extra lamination in the keel support wells, much better to do this now before any sign of movement shows up.
 
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