Fr J Hackett
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But someone from a 3rd country has no right of free movement within the Schengen zone so should have to check in.
More detail emerges on ETIAS for those of us who sail to France etc
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But someone from a 3rd country has no right of free movement within the Schengen zone so should have to check in.
Graham376
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How do you work that out? Once in Schengen, third country citizens are free to move around for 90 days.
Fr J Hackett
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I thought they weren't using the example of someone that has residence in one country but is not allowed to automatically move to another. Maybe wrong.
Graham376
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I have residence in one country but still allowed 90 days throughout the rest of Schengen unless travelling with my citizen wife which allows me indefinite stay subject to local registration rules. Anyway, this is a bit OT regarding France.
Fr J Hackett
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You are possibly right I don't have to think about it being a national of an EU country. In fact I have just checked you are correct.
DJE
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I can't see this thread staying open much longer!
Fr J Hackett
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It's a perfectly acceptable topic discussing what restrictions may or may not apply to a yachtsman visiting the Schengen area and moving between countries as many would wish to do.
Tomahawk
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I may be wrong, but I thought the principle that underpins Schengen is the requirement to carry ID at all times. Thus one can cross internal orders without let or hinderance, but may be stopped by some sort of official and asked to produce ID. In practical terms to visiting yachties it makes no difference as we would be carrying our passports when we land anyway. As such Schengen is different to the UK where once in the UK you are free to not carry ID as there is theoretical comprehensive passport control at the border.
Black Sheep
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The thread is good. It's very useful to those of us contemplating crossing the Channel/North Sea.
Digressions into politics aren't welcome. The best approach is to use the Report button before the thread gets hijacked. I've drawn one digression to the attention of the mods.
Graham376
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Problem is we often get sidetracked. The thread was/is about problems entering and leaving France and whilst the 90/180 rule does have to be adhered to, there are countless threads and posts about that particular subject so, do we cover it yet again here?
lustyd
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I’ve never carried my passport in the EU, is this also a new requirement or will other ID still suffice?
Graham376
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Photo ID necessary in Portugal, natives carry plastic citizen cards but I've never had a problem with photo driving license when pulled by police at roadside checks - even though still a UK one.
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Habebty
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OK, where do I find the latest border information on planning a trip to France, Belgium, or Holland? Is the process the same for these three destinations?
1. What do I need to do before I depart?
2. What do I do when I arrive (in European ports of countries above)?
3. What do I need to do before I depart European channel port?(to ensure 90 day clock stopped)
4. Do I need to do anything when I arrive back in UK?
I am not interested in the answers from contrary types who "never take a passport" "just go and you'll never sea a gendarme or whatever" but I am interested in the current and ( more usefully) the likely process for next summer that would apply to the casual channel hopper wishing to avoid a march to the nearest cashpoint with the local plod.
Is there a one stop shop for this info please?
1. What do I need to do before I depart?
2. What do I do when I arrive (in European ports of countries above)?
3. What do I need to do before I depart European channel port?(to ensure 90 day clock stopped)
4. Do I need to do anything when I arrive back in UK?
I am not interested in the answers from contrary types who "never take a passport" "just go and you'll never sea a gendarme or whatever" but I am interested in the current and ( more usefully) the likely process for next summer that would apply to the casual channel hopper wishing to avoid a march to the nearest cashpoint with the local plod.
Is there a one stop shop for this info please?
Boathook
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Departure and arrival of the UK is done by form C1331 from border force, well it was earlier this year. You print the form out and post it and ring up on your return. All simple but old fashioned. Coming back late evening this year from CI, I rang up and spoke to an out of hours 'emergency' service.
Whether it will be the same next season is another matter. What happens abroad I now don't know. The CI wanted forms because of covid this year, hopefully they will bin them for next year.
Rest of Europe seems to be changing all the time. Personally I will worry about it all next April.
Whether it will be the same next season is another matter. What happens abroad I now don't know. The CI wanted forms because of covid this year, hopefully they will bin them for next year.
Rest of Europe seems to be changing all the time. Personally I will worry about it all next April.
franksingleton
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We went to France this year via Guernsey and Jersey. Best to Google their sites before you go. It is a moving feast. St PP were better organised than St H.
Leaving the UK, we forgot to complete C1331. There was no problem on return. We filled in the form after arrival. Once near the coast, you telephone customs for a perfunctory clearance. We had to do PCR tests after arrival and take a test before departing France. We had laminar flow test kits onboard. Nobody in the UK asked to see those test results after arrival.
Entering leaving France was a bit more formal. They wanted evidence of a PCR test taken 2 days before departure. There is a customs form to be filled in and emailed before departure. I think that we could have completed on arrival. They did check our COVID test details.as I have said earlier, you have to custom in and out at a port of entry. But, in the St Brieuc to L’Aber Wrac’h area, we could have arrived at or left from any port as long as we reported to customs and visited them for passport stamping. Of course, I cannot be sure that every customs officer will see it that way.
Leaving the UK, we forgot to complete C1331. There was no problem on return. We filled in the form after arrival. Once near the coast, you telephone customs for a perfunctory clearance. We had to do PCR tests after arrival and take a test before departing France. We had laminar flow test kits onboard. Nobody in the UK asked to see those test results after arrival.
Entering leaving France was a bit more formal. They wanted evidence of a PCR test taken 2 days before departure. There is a customs form to be filled in and emailed before departure. I think that we could have completed on arrival. They did check our COVID test details.as I have said earlier, you have to custom in and out at a port of entry. But, in the St Brieuc to L’Aber Wrac’h area, we could have arrived at or left from any port as long as we reported to customs and visited them for passport stamping. Of course, I cannot be sure that every customs officer will see it that way.
st599
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1. Fill out part 1 of form C1331 and post it - same form that has been needed when going to Channel Islands (This is meant to be replaced with an app at some point)
2. It depends on which country - whilst the rules are the same throughout, the implementation is at country level. In most, you have to enter at a Port of Entry, then go and visit customs/border personnel to check in. In Germany, this is devolved to large marinas, in Belgium there's an online app. As of next year, there's a centralised Entry and Exit System coming online so passports will be scanned instead of stamped and overstays automatically flagged.
3. Reverse of 2. Go to customs/border personnel and checkout.
4. Fill out part 2 of C1331 and ring Yachtline. Hang around for a couple of hours to see if they turn up or not.
No one stop shop - the RYA have some info.
Koeketiene
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Belgium: from the UK and back again
Regulations Sailing from the UK to Belgium September, October 2021
dunedin
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The Cruising Association also has a lot of info