MOBO Manners.

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If I go from Portsmouth to Cowes I go in a straight line. if I go from Hamble to Cowes I go in straigt line. If I go from Yarmouth to Lymington - etc. etc. If Yacties want a quiet time avoid the straight line routes that Mobo's take.

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What an odd suggestion.

Never mind the fact that most of my solent sailing racing and I get sent all over the place depending on the wind direction.

In fully powered up conditions I couldn't care less about a little bit of wake (unless the offending boat is way too close) but in light winds (sub 7-8 knots) the wash from a powerboat can stop me dead and shake all the wind from my sails. It can then take up to several minutes to get going again. I've lost races because of the influence of powerboat wash.

Here's hoping that some of the idiots that plow through race fleets at high speed read this and realise the effect that they have.

 

[jcmmarine]

An odd suggestion???

Would you plan your race through an IOW ferry route? Through a main shipping lane???

If you want to play avoid the traffic on the main road.

 

[Lakesailor]

I agree that your suggestion is patently ludicrous. You are suggesting that you are entitled to keep a straight wake at the expense of other water-users' passage plans?
My suggestion is not that MOBOs avoid any close passage to yachts, but that instead of plowing on a dead straight course at a constant speed, an easing of the throttles or a slight deviation would suit everyone.
Don't suggest that it's not acceptable to throttle back a touch as most of the people who cause disruption seem to slightly open their throttles to make sure they cross ahead of yachts. In fact leaving the speed the same and slightly altering their heading for a moment would ensure they passed behind.

The point about having the wind knocked out your sails in light airs is particularly apt.

I have a MOBO as well and am constantly aware of yachts, dinghies and canoes. I take measures to avoid causing disruption.

 

[duncanmack]

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Power gives way to sail - marvellous mantra - well demonstrated by the selfish a**e who decided to sail up the Hamble at 6 pm yesterday. It's a nice thing to do when it's quiet, but just stupid when it's busy.

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Did he have a working engine? Don't be too quick to condemn someone for sailing when perhaps he had no option. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[Whitelighter]

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well put jez, are you moving over to the other side? you seem to have a lot of time to be on the forum, do you take your laptop to bed with you!

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Nah, feet firmly on the stinky side for now!!! Spent my yoof on the dark side though, and future business plans may involve a visit back there at some point!!

 

[jcmmarine]

Sorry but have difficulty understanding your thread, the sooner CEVNI applies in UK the better.

The number of times I, OK a Mobo, have been following ferries on a straght track into Portsmoth, Cowes, Yarmouth etc. and then been then stymed by a yacht that has kept clear of the ferry, yet delighted in forcing me to give way in a constrained passage.

Entry to Portsmouth is a prime example. Following the port hand entry, aimimg for the small ships channel; the number of times a yacht will come from the inner swatch and expect you to give way.

Even more anoying is that they are patently motor sailing (with no inverted cone) and still expect you to give way.

 

[srp]

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An odd suggestion???

Would you plan your race through an IOW ferry route? Through a main shipping lane???

If you want to play avoid the traffic on the main road.

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I'm afraid this and your previous post have confirmed my worst suspicions about stereotypes. Do you plough straight on regardless of the IOW ferry? What about the moving exclusion zone around traffic leaving Southampton Water? Do you understand that sailing craft also like to travel from A to B as well? Do you appreciate their need to tack or to make allowance for tides? Do you even know that you create an un-neighbourly wash that is capable of annoying others? Are you the motorboat 'driver' that asked me 'is it left or right for Bembridge?'

 

[jcmmarine]

I am 30 years a sailor before 15 years motor.

As a sailor I tried to avoid traffic lanes

As a Mobo I try to keep to traffic lanes.

 

[Lakesailor]

I think you are arguing a different point to me. I am talking about a lake where everyone is just ambling about. No one is going anywhere. There are no tidal windows to make, no passages to make. It's 10 miles long and everyone goes there, and back.
That's when sheer bloody-mindedness rears it's head.
We are all in the same boat, so to speak.

 

[srp]

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As a Mobo I try to keep to traffic lanes.

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But there isn't a 'traffic lane' from Portsmouth to Cowes (to use your example). No white lines, traffic lights, nothing. And you can't travel this route 'in a straight line' as you suggest, because of the rather unreasonable presence of Gilkicker (which was probably put there just to annoy motorboat drivers).
If you're saying that sailing craft need to avoid all the imaginary straight lines between all the Solent harbours and anchorages just in case a motor boat hoves into view then that doesn't exactly leave them much room does it?
It's really quite simple - a bit of politeness, intelligence and understanding is all that's needed.

 

[Sixpence]

You missed out 'common sense'

 

[Lakesailor]

Upon reading your responses again I realise you are, indeed, one of those I complain about. Whatever would be a wise plan for a yachty to follow, the fact remains that if you come across a yacht, under sail, in open water, perfectly justifiably, why would you try to pass across it's bow when it's the stand-on vessel? A small deviation would send you under it's stern, as required by colregs in the circumstances I describe? Are you trying to make a non-existent point?

I don't try to make ferries deviate from their path, as that is also verboten on Windermere.

 

[Solitaire]

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Entry to Portsmouth is a prime example. Following the port hand entry, aimimg for the small ships channel; the number of times a yacht will come from the inner swatch and expect you to give way.

Even more anoying is that they are patently motor sailing (with no inverted cone) and still expect you to give way.

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Like today! I took a "newbie" into Portsmouth today to show him the correct way of entering the harbour via the small boat channel. What a nightmare! Yachts/mobos coming out forcing boats entering into the main channel. Where was the VHP I thought? Volunteer 2 was coming out from refuelling and then sat in the channel causing more trouble than it was attempting to elliviate! Meanwhile they completely ignored a small powerboat entering on the eastern side of the harbour as the ferry was leaving!

Standards are dropping! /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

 

[jcmmarine]

Try reading again what I have said.

I obay Colregs.

Please expalin why, on regular entieres to Portsmouth harour, following ferries in and following the channel, Sailing boats, obvously under power - but with no inverted cone, push in from the left from the inner swash, and force me to avoid them. Contrary to Colregs.

 

[Lakesailor]

Well. Try reading my original post again. I am not complaining about people ignoring traffic separation schemes.
Your Portsmouth issues deserve another thread.

My beef is about simple common courtesy (with the backing of colregs)

 

[jcmmarine]

Flat out I can do 10 knots. Most of the time I cruise on one engine doing 6.5 knots. My wake annoys no-one and I regularly get overtaken by sailing boats.

It annoys me when sailing craft, obviously under power - but without inverted cones, illegally force me to divert from my direct line course in a recognised channel.

Portsmouth harbour entry is a prime example. The hamble is another. The times I have been slowly proceeding along the channel and a yacht has shot out in front forcing full astern.

The sooner CEVNI regulations fully apply in UK the better.

 

[gandy]

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The sooner CEVNI regulations fully apply in UK the better.

[/ QUOTE ] Why?

 

[Lakesailor]

I don't know either. I've lost the will to live.

 

[Metabarca]

In today's paper: powerboat smashes into dinghy; four adolescents hurt, two critically (one had the top of his head taken off by the prop). The police reckon the powerboat never saw them as it appeared to have hit them at full tilt.
Last week's newspaper: 17-metre mobo destroys 6-metre sailing dinghy. One dead. The mobo driver is now in jail in Rijeka facing 1 to 10 years sentence.
I have just translated a couple of owner's manuals for mobos. These contain such vital information as 'turn the key to the right to start engine' and 'ensure you do not fill your water tank with diesel' but nowhere in this tale of the bleedin' obvious does it state the wash of the boat could be dangerous or that the mobo travels considerably faster than most other traffic on the water and that vigilance is not an option. And unfortunately the bleedin' obvious needs to be stated, as is evident from lots of close encounters. It would be no defence for the driver of an articulated lorry to state that he did not realise passing within 2 metres of a cyclist at 70 mph could cause a problem, and nor should this ignorance be tolerated amongst users of fast boats. For the record, these accidents occurred in Croatia, where licensing is obligatory.

 

[flaming]

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An odd suggestion???

Would you plan your race through an IOW ferry route? Through a main shipping lane???

If you want to play avoid the traffic on the main road.

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Yes, a very odd suggestion.
You clearly have absolutelty no idea what you are talking about.

Yes, Races frequently go through the route of the IOW ferries. And also cross the main shipping lanes, in fact it would be an unusual race in the solent that doesn't. Planning to avoid large ships and obey the moving exclusions just becomes part of the tactics.