MOBO Manners.

[Lakesailor]

I was bobbing along in my little trimaran yesterday, not much wind, lovely day, so I was only doing about 2 knots.
A MOBO pilot in a 28 footer cruised out of Bowness Bay. No suggestion he was breaking any limits, but of course he was leaving a bit of a sharp, breaking wash. My little boat is only 10ft long.
Why does he have to pass across my bows?
I had to luff up to face the wash, and of course bringing the nose back off the wind in a 3-hulled boat with no way on is not easy.
Why couldn't he just go under my stern.
I mean there isn't much to do on a MOBO, you'd have thought he would have found the turning of the wheel and regaining his course after passing by an interesting diversion.
Or is it to do with "I have a big boat and I can get across in front of you easily"

Bad Manners I say

 

[Whitelighter]

Because he didn't apprciate that it was harder for you to deal with his wake if he went in front of you rather than behind you. Because in a MoBo wake is much easier to deal with from the forward quaters than the worst situation which is wake on the stern quaters.

Another consideration is he might just have thought 'I'll get out of the way and leave him (you) to it' rather than aiming staright at you to turn around your stern.

And why does he not probably appreciate the differences in the way a tri-maran or any other type of sailing craft handles? Becuase no-one has ever politley told him or offered an oppinion other than he is just another inconsiderate MoBo driver.

I am fortunate, I have enjoyed many years of sailing and now enjoy motorboating, but why so many people have to maintain the ridiculous them vs us (put your self in either of those camps by the way) is beyond me. There are prats on both sides, for sure, but the majority just want ot be on the water and we all have that in common.

 

[billskip]

Just consider it as natures way of giving you a little challenge to cope with.

As Jez says there are prats on both sides. no different to finding a nice quiet anchorage and an hour later AWB turns up and play their music with the wick at max.

Rise above it coping with these things makes a better person (and skipper) than those that create them.

A /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif a day keeps the prats away /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[SlowlyButSurely]

I don't think there is an us v them situation. I find both mobo drivers and sailing types to be equally friendly and courteous and this type of thing is more often simply due to inexperience.

I think it does have to be conceeded though that more inexperience is exhibited by mobos than sailing boats.

 

[Kawasaki]

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I think it does have to be conceeded though that more inexperience is exhibited by mobos than sailing boats.

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Hmm, agree with You,mostly.
However ,I think the mobo inexperience appears more obvious when He makes a cock up.
Ie ,He is moving more quickly, perhaps when He shouldn't be!
He is quite often bigger and mostly noisier than Mr Rag.

Mr Rag may capsize or bump iinto summat cos He is a newbie.
Mr mobo thinks "They seem to do that quite often. Dunno why He did that, they must enjoy it Mabel.
Ive seen em do it whilst they seem to be racing or summat round those coloured can thinghies!"
So mobo error is more glaring I reckon.
So they are noticed more?

Not quite Lakey's recent situation.
Relevant to this tack We are on. Pun intended!

Scenario.
Inexperienced mobo meets Mr Rag of similar skill.

Mobo is steaming along at a gentle 20 kts or so.
Mr Rag is a mile away, it looks like a collision course, narrow channel. Oo Err!

Mobo aint seen the little yacht yet.
Not much wind , that's why mobos out and shifting along!
Mr Rag has sees ths Huge bow wave already, bearing down on him.
Then a Huge superstructure and thunderous engines can now be heard.
Cripes! Mr Rag goes into panick mode 10!
Flappy sail, not much wind, Yanking at the outboard brain in overdrive.
The mobo seemed to be over a mile away a few minutes ago, now seems to be a few hundred yards away bearing down at Ramming Speed.

Mobo gets his eyeballs back on the job, after fixing His G+ T.
Well He's dead chuffed first time He'd been this far, aving a quick one to celebrate.

Cripes theres a raggie thing, didn,t see him whered he come from.
The rag boat being a lot smaller mobo didn't see him as soon as Mr Rag saw mobo.Irrespective of the tempory diversion.
What the hecks he doing?
Jibbin and jiving and tick tac towing or whatever they do.
So both parties are now confused.
Both inexperienced as said.
So both guys have difficulties.
Mobo man will see Mr Rag later than Rag spots him.
So maybe Rag should do something about it earlier.
Mobo man should keep a better look out than rag man.
Rag man is busy looking skywards at his flappy bits quite a lot, why do they do that?
Has more to do on the helm and pulling bits of string and looking for more wind or less wind or what the water is doing. de bla de bla de bla.
Jeepers, it must be murder driving one of those things!

Mobo man has lots to do as well.
Well he's got to stear it and --------
Urm and ----- Oh yeh, make sure the fuel gauges are not lying.
Yep mobo they really do move towards "E" that quick!

Oh yeh and don't forget to call the Coastgaurd again for a Radio check.
Mind You I think both types of water user can be guilty of that one!
So there are probs for M and R.
Just a bit different.
This aint a Them and Us bit.
But I always, yes always, slow down or even stop or make the obvious turn .
Tiss quite tricky in the Menai Straits for both users sometimes.
I know iI can nip into bit shallower places than Raggie.
I can stop for 5 mins or whatever then push on again.
So what , it aint a race, I aint dashing to the Office or wherever.
9 times out of 10 a cheery wave is exchanged.
Sometimes the odd comment and jibe is thrown in.
See even a Mobower can Jibe!
"Nice looking yachty whatsit Skip,
Yer, Ta, wouldn't wanna fill Your Tanks Goldfinger!
Yer all the same You lot Just cos the Wind is Free, Snarf Snarf!!"

Tother day, seen Him, not far away jibbing and tacking and ticking, bit tight in the Swellies but I knows where I am and sticks it into nuetral drited out of His way.
Passes about 10 yards away.
Alwwright mate ows it going plus cheery wave.
Look of distaint then back to peering towards the Heavens, miserable Git.
Hey up it takes all sorts.
And we,ve two sorts.
That should and mostly Do live together.
Bad manners or inexperience?
In Lakeys' case perhaps He came across a mixture of both?
Anyway, that's how it seems to Me.

Might be talking borrocks, never been in a yacht or Helmed one.
Must have a bash sooner than later!

 

[Lakesailor]

An astute and detailed appreciation of the problems. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I must admit that the MOBOs that bear away under the stern won't register on the indignation scale and so those that do clip across my pointy side are the ones I remember.

The problem I find often (yesterday several times) is that when the wind is a bit fitful a saily boat can be bobbing along at a couple of miles and hour and then rush up to a heady 5 or 6 mph when a gust arrives for 10 or 30 seconds.
That mucks up the MOBO pilot's calculation of how much space he will clear the bow by.
It may seem to him that I've just accelerated to mess him about and it's at this point that the horns come out and he decides he's not going to bear away as it's my fault I've speeded up so I'll have to make space for him.
Probably as Jez says, a misunderstanding of the nature of sails and wind.

 

[Kawasaki]

That fast Blimey! Der have to put Yer cap on in reverse?
See I hadn't thought of that situation.
See inexperience again
Plus a sizeable dollop of Ignorance.
Repetition
I must have a drive of One soon.
Inquisition
Did You stick a little whisk on the Mobo yet?
Inspiration
Yep, ger off ere , before I go off on one!

 

[Lakesailor]

Cheaper to stick with the big one. Bit more fuel. Lot less hassle.

 

[Kawasaki]

Fair enough

 

[snowleopard]

Well putting aside the ones who do it out of spite, many mobos don't appreciate how unpleasant it is to be left bobbing in someone's wake and they don't learn because by the time it happens the raggie is far astern. Thoughtless perhaps, but is it any worse than the raggie who only knows one rule of the road - Power gives way to sail - and applies it in every circumstance.

 

[contessa26]

Excellent post - and amusing too!
Yes, as you say, it can often be inexperience that leads to problems - like in all walks of life - boating, brain surgery, driving a car, lawn mowing...
Happy sailng!

 

[volvopaul]

well put jez, are you moving over to the other side? you seem to have a lot of time to be on the forum, do you take your laptop to bed with you!

 

[Kawasaki]

Hey, thanks for that contessa26.
Your 4 activities .Relevant too.
I mean boating and brain surgery, got to be related.
Driving a Car and lawn mowing?
Jees that's just got to be difficult.
Oh no wait a Mo.
Coupe de Grass.
I always wondered what it meant. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
OK! just putting me coat on!

 

[Grajan]

I think Jez and Snowleopard have hit the nail on the head it is the lack of knowledge that causes all the discord between Raggie" and Mobo" owners and if we are not careful this is what will drive our sport to tighter legislation and even worse, licencing before being able to go afloat

 

[Lakesailor]

Ooh! That's a bit strong. Innit?
These are mere discords between followers of the same pleasure.
I mean, although I get a bit rattled by some of the less able seamen no-one actually causes accidents or kills anyone. No-one on the lake has committed a sail-by-shooting.
I often take an early tack or gybe so as not to interupt someone's course, as they seem to be going somewhere and I am just floating about.

It's just the annoyance of somebody giving me some serious chop when there was no need that gets my goat.

 

[Borked]

I'm an idiot, I can prove it - I've been banned from the ybw forums

 

[Lakesailor]

Oh "Log In" That means it's too complicated.

 

[jb2006]

Power gives way to sail - marvellous mantra - well demonstrated by the selfish a**e who decided to sail up the Hamble at 6 pm yesterday. It's a nice thing to do when it's quiet, but just stupid when it's busy.

 

[Lakesailor]

I didn't start this as a thread about rights and rules. It was about being considerate. Obviously your "friend" wasn't being very thoughtful.
It seems to me that a lot of people do not have any consideration for others. Doesn't even enter their minds.
I'm not talking just about water-borne rudeness.
Up here we have people walking 3 abreast down narrow pavements and not giving way. You have to step intio the road to avoid them. People stand in the middle of the pavement (usually adjacent to a lamp post) and chat on mobile phones, or see someone they know and stand in a group blocking doorways in the supermarket.
Plain bloody rude and thoughtless.

 

[jcmmarine]

Whilst I do not exceed displacemet speed I accept that my displacement MOBO wash can be annoying, so I try to avoid upsetting yachties.

However, in the Solent, like most other recreation grounds, Yachties potter and Mobo's go from A to B.

If I go from Portsmouth to Cowes I go in a straight line. if I go from Hamble to Cowes I go in straigt line. If I go from Yarmouth to Lymington - etc. etc. If Yacties want a quiet time avoid the straight line routes that Mobo's take.