Max hull speed vs current

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How two architects turned this cheap old lifeboat…:
Yeah, those are precisely the two characters I was talking about. Nothing cheap about it. If they'd spent the money they did spend (and where did two students get it) on a proper boat, they could have sailed to the arctic in a 45', not pumped out diesel fumes all the way.

Note the mirror-like water.

Do fathers really call their sons "Guylee" these days?
 

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Urm.. this would be true if the current was caused by a large underwater propellor in a tank with a constant water level, but its not the case.
Tidal flow is caused by a difference in height of water levels. i.e to state the obvious, water flows down hill!
So if you are going upstream against a high speed tidal stream you are actually and literally going uphill. To go uphill requires an input of work. In physical terms you are gaining gravitational potential energy. So some of your motor power is being used to push you up the hill and since your motor has a fixed power output at given revs, this subtracts from the power available to push you through the water.
In my home port i would reckon that when the ebb was at max speed of say 6 knots the height difference could be as much as 1 meter in 200.
But back in the real world, any difference (If any) is immeasurable. Best to stick to normal understanding of water and navigation!
 

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1. Hull speed is not always 1.34 √ length. It varies according to hull shape
2. In a river the current speed varies across it. Generally strongest mid stream weaker closer to the bank.
 

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1. Hull speed is not always 1.34 √ length. It varies according to hull shape
2. In a river the current speed varies across it. Generally strongest mid stream weaker closer to the bank.

So ?

The OP asked a generalised question of boat speed through water vs current.

Putting it simply as in - you want to go in a direction at 6kts and the current is against you at 6kts. Result is zero ground speed. QED.
 

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Par for the course. Throw in a question ... get answer - then the bullshit starts ... why stick around for it ??

In other forums I've been on, the management got caught asking questions as "new members" just to provoke discussion, and keep the site alive/up in google listings. Does the same go on here?
 

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On my list! Looks like fun.
Just around the corner is also Ballachulish. Up to 12' if the winds blowing up the loch, and about 7 knots from memory. Rewarding once you are in.

FWIW, the OP confirmed that they actually had a open lifeboat, that have a better sailing shape, so I retract my discussion of the fully enclosed ones.

 

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Falls of Lora at Connel is perfectly navigable with care. Small ships do or did go up and down there, going to and from the quarry at Bonawe. It's mighty impressive on a spring ebb.
 

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I’ve got a 5m ex ships lifeboat, guessing I have a maximum hull speed of 4-6 knots with a 12hp inboard... if I try and go against a 6 knot current, am I going to go backwards? Makes sense to me but just wanted to check if current flow against hull is any different to hull resistance moving forward... thanks in advance
Yes. And I well remember doing just that under the severn bridge where the tide can run at 7kn. Under full sail at 5 kn I went backwards.
 

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Just around the corner is also Ballachulish. Up to 12' if the winds blowing up the loch, and about 7 knots from memory. Rewarding once you are in.

FWIW, the OP confirmed that they actually had a open lifeboat, that have a better sailing shape, so I retract my discussion of the fully enclosed ones.

Been there, done that! It's a one-way passage, and the bridge makes it feel scary! You know that moment when despite all your checks, it doesn't look like your mast will go under the bridge? At Ballachulish, that happens at a point where you can't turn back... And when I did it, as we were approaching we saw some scaffolding hanging below the bridge deck?
 

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There have been a few times when I have looked out from Noirmont Point in Jersey.
Seen boats in a nice S. Westerly, spinnakers flying, making no ground.
 

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There have been a few times when I have looked out from Noirmont Point in Jersey.
Seen boats in a nice S. Westerly, spinnakers flying, making no ground.
Also looking out from Longy bay on Alderney. I remember seeing three yachts late on the tide spending all morning trying to get to Braye.
 

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Also looking out from Longy bay on Alderney. I remember seeing three yachts late on the tide spending all morning trying to get to Braye.

Alacrity 19 .... Seagull 40+ .... Langstone Hbr entrance .............

Even with sails up as well ... we could not get in against the outgoing tide ... wife was not happy - especially that wind over tide was creating big waves that the boat was being thrown about ...

It was brilliant plan ..... leave Thornham Marina in Chichester Hbr as early as possible ... sail round to Langstone entrance hopefully arriving before full ebb ... get in and up to Farlington Marsh area where new mooring was waiting. All hopefully before low water.

Great laid plans of Mice and Men !! We arrived of Langstone as the full force of ebb was developing.
 

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Been there, done that! It's a one-way passage, and the bridge makes it feel scary! You know that moment when despite all your checks, it doesn't look like your mast will go under the bridge? At Ballachulish, that happens at a point where you can't turn back... And when I did it, as we were approaching we saw some scaffolding hanging below the bridge deck?
Ballachulish isn't the only spot on Loch Leven with a strong tide. The narrows at Caolasnacan are pretty fierce, too. We camped at the caravan site there once, and had a Metzler Inca dinghy with a Seagull outboard. Great fun for my brother and I as teenage boys! But once my Dad and my brother went down through the narrows and discovered they could only make about half a knot against the tide coming back.
 
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