Marina Hose Removal for H&S?

[prv]

The only reason they are removing their hoses is because they know they will give away less water

Really? It's a minor faff unreeling the hose from the locker, but it's not going to prevent me filling up with water if I need to.

Pete

 

[Danbury]

second girl I ever slept with was called Marina Hose

I hope you didn't back-flush her !

 

[Hydrozoan]

I wonder, do they have water regs on the island

Of course - http://www.water.gg/sites/default/files/Water%20Byelaws.pdf

 

[Angele]

Hydrozoan beat me to it.

All a bit too technical for me, but I think the relevant bit is likely to be in Schedule 2, section 6.2.

Edit: Haha, methinks Guernsey have plaguarised this from somewhere else. I love the diagrams on p79 of 121 - in particular references to "inland pleasure craft", "local Water Supplier" (there is only one) and the piccies of filling a train.

 

[BlueSkyNick]

That incident was caused when a water board employee dumped 20 tons of aluminium sulphate into the wrong tank at the treatment works, scarcely an apposite comparison.

I stand corrected about the cause.

Nonetheless, the water companies remain paranoid about pollution to the main supply which is the main driver to the excessive regulations which they are now trying to enforce.

 

[BlueSkyNick]

This is an EXCUSE.

All they have to do is put up a sign saying water non-potable and they have no liability.

The only reason they are removing their hoses is because they know they will give away less water and water costs are significant. However what ever it costs, it is certainly covered by mooring fees. Get together and complain, there is no reason for this and if necessary contact the HSE directly, I am sure that they would confirm that signage would be acceptable to them.

You are wrong on both points, I.m afraid.

It is nothing to do with the cost of water, nor the HSE.

It is totally to do with the cost and hassle of being forced to implement excessive regulations unnecessarily. If they are taken literally, the marinas will have to install several break tanks so that all the water is then stored rather than fresh from the mains. Then it becomes less 'potable' so it is a lose-lose situation for the marina and the boaters.

 

[BruceDanforth]

Was it the size or the dogness that was objectionable?

I haven't used a marina hose ever since I saw a large dog piddling all over one in Haslar Marina.

 

[l'escargot]

Seems like a good reason (one of many) for banning dogs instead of hosepipes.

And seagulls that piss on everything and humans with toilets on their boats that pump out into the sea that the hoses are always left hanging in by other humans...

 

[AntarcticPilot]

Scottish Water started this last year at James Watt Dock Marina (JWDM only started three years ago, I guess it was low-hanging fruit for SW); I gather that other marinas in the Clyde have been told they will have to follow suit.

I now carry a hose, which I resent because it takes up unecessary locker space, and I only have space for a short hose. Flat hoses were the subject of a thread on here a while ago, and both the thread and customer reviews on Amazon and so on suggested that they don't last very well, being subject to splitting. The Robert Dyas expanding hose is probably not long enough in a lot of situations - 25 feet is less than 8 metres, so unless you're moored very close to a tap, it isn't going to be long enough. I use a 10m hose, which is just about long enough to reach the tap located midway between the finger I'm on and the adjacent one. Plenty of places where taps are far wider spaced!

As others have said, nothing to do with HSE; all to do with Water Companies aggressively protecting their supply in fool-proof ways. And the suggestion of a header tank supplied via a ball-valve isn't adequate - the water pressure on the pontoon would be very low.

 

[FWB]

Flat hoses were the subject of a thread on here a while ago, and both the thread and customer reviews on Amazon and so on suggested that they don't last very well, being subject to splitting.

These hoses are excellent
http://www.gardena.com/int/water-ma...ssic-roll-fix-flat-hose-in-a-cassette-308629/
Superb quality.

 

[Hydrozoan]

... the water companies remain paranoid about pollution to the main supply ...

No, they're not "paranoid" - pathogenic micro-organisms are really out to get us. Protecting the public drinking water supply from their entry has long been a cornerstone of public health policy, and rightly so given the ravages that waterborne diseases can cause, do cause in many less fortunate parts of the world and did cause here even in our grandfathers' or great-grandfathers' eras. Whatever the rights or wrongs of your specific concerns (as a marina manager, I believe) you are mistaken in ascribing paranoia about the drinking supply in general to the companies (or, for that matter, to their regulator the Drinking Water Inspectorate).

 

[prv]

I now carry a hose, which I resent

Did you not have one before, then? Even when marinas generally had hoses on their taps, I've always considered a water hose to be part of the standard equipment a boat should have - not everywhere is a marina!

Mind you, even the fairly long hose in our locker was no good when we tied up on the town quay on some Danish island and found that all the water had been turned off for the winter. The only source of supply was a broken shower head on the wall of the public disabled toilet (normal ladies and gents were locked). Our only suitable container was the 20l emergency water jerrycan, and we'd emptied the tank overboard that day since we were racing in light winds and the skipper wanted to reduce weight.

It took us half the evening, in shifts, to get the tank full

Pete

 

[AntarcticPilot]

No, they're not "paranoid" - pathogenic micro-organisms are really out to get us. Protecting the public drinking water supply from their entry has long been a cornerstone of public health policy, and rightly so given the ravages that waterborne diseases can cause, do cause in many less fortunate parts of the world and did cause here even in our grandfathers' or great-grandfathers' eras. Whatever the rights or wrongs of your specific concerns (as a marina manager, I believe) you are mistaken in ascribing paranoia about the drinking supply in general to the companies (or, for that matter, to their regulator the Drinking Water Inspectorate).

My primary discipline - Geographic Information Systems - traces its origins to Dr John Snow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Snow_(physician)), who in 1854 was the first to prove that drinking water was the source of Cholera. I am entirely in agreement that Water Companies need to protect the purity of their supply; my wife (who has worked for water companies, and who has developed water purification techniques) would agree!

Did you not have one before, then? Even when marinas generally had hoses on their taps, I've always considered a water hose to be part of the standard equipment a boat should have - not everywhere is a marina!

SNIP

Pete

No, I didn't - the accommodation on a Moody 31 means that there is only one cockpit locker, and the forward part of that is occupied by the fuel tank. I also keep my inflatable in it. So, external storage is at a premium, and until it became necessary under the new regulations, a hose was the last thing I wanted cluttering up an already full storage area. I regard hoses as malign objects anyway, which conspire to tangle unless rigidly controlled!

 

[Seven Spades]

I know the bugs are real but I never worry about it because I have fitted a General Ecology water filter and they will remove all the nasties

http://generalecology.com/category_products.php?category_name_url=marine-rv

 

[prv]

the accommodation on a Moody 31 means that there is only one cockpit locker, and the forward part of that is occupied by the fuel tank. I also keep my inflatable in it. So, external storage is at a premium

Me too, hence my hose is one of the flat roll-up cassette ones. Not quite as good in use as a standard garden hose (you have to work quite hard to prevent kinks) but a fraction of the size when stowed.

Pete

 

[Hydrozoan]

My primary discipline - Geographic Information Systems - traces its origins to Dr John Snow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Snow_(physician)), who in 1854 was the first to prove that drinking water was the source of Cholera. I am entirely in agreement that Water Companies need to protect the purity of their supply; my wife (who has worked for water companies, and who has developed water purification techniques) would agree!

I am indeed aware of John Snow - and his work was in my mind as I wrote. Years ago I visited, in the company of an epidemiologist, the John Snow pub in Soho with the pink kerbstone nearby marking the former location of the Broad Street pump. In those days it had on the walls - and perhaps even now still has - facsimilies of letters to The Times from local residents complaining about the insanitary conditions. I have before me as I write a John Snow Society mug with the words "In consequence of what I said, the handle of the pump was removed".

But I had not really registered the debt that GIS in particular owes to Dr Snow, and am most grateful to you for pointing it out. Yes of course, his mapping of the cholera cases to the pump (and indeed, the confirmation from the one distant family of victims whose father preferred its water) was an early example of that discipline in action.

You and your wife are no doubt aware that Dr Snow was also a pioneer of anaesthesia, so I will not elaborate. But what an achievement for one man!

Thanks again for pointing out the connection.

 

[Mel]

The water companies in England are all private companies and they like to protect their local monopolies. They are able to pass on to us, their trapped customers, all the costs of regulations - so they have a vested interest in making the Regs. as onerous as they can dream up. It is interesting to note that in the electricity supply industry the regulations are set by a totally independent professional body.

We need proper competition and independence in Water supply !

 

[BlueSkyNick]

It is interesting to note that in the electricity supply industry the regulations are set by a totally independent professional body.

Who do you have in mind ?

 

[sailorman]

The water companies in England are all private companies and they like to protect their local monopolies. They are able to pass on to us, their trapped customers, all the costs of regulations - so they have a vested interest in making the Regs. as onerous as they can dream up. It is interesting to note that in the electricity supply industry the regulations are set by a totally independent professional body.

We need proper competition and independence in Water supply !

Who have a vested interest in changing their rules to keep themselves in a job, What edition are we on now.

 

[Hydrozoan]

The water companies in England are all private companies and they like to protect their local monopolies. They are able to pass on to us, their trapped customers, all the costs of regulations - so they have a vested interest in making the Regs. as onerous as they can dream up. It is interesting to note that in the electricity supply industry the regulations are set by a totally independent professional body.

We need proper competition and independence in Water supply !

I'm not here to attack or defend the water companies or current commercial arrangements, but vigorous concern to protect from pollution the public drinking water supply will remain (I sincerely hope, for my childrens' and grandchildrens' sakes), under whatever arrangements the sector operates.