volvopaul
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I have looked after the engines in that boat for a few years , a very nice example , Dave the owner is a lovely man .
Looking for a change
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SimonX
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Had a look at three Brooms this weekend although it is awkward not wanting to string sellers along when we aren’t in a position to buy.
First was a 35CL which was OK but didn’t seem to be a leap forward from our Bayliner and the good lady didn’t like that the second berth was open to the galley area. Also skeptical of the statement “ The Broom 35cl is powered by a Perkins Sabre M135L 135hp diesel engine. It is designed for both cruising inland waterways and making serious sea passages“ Would you be comfortable doing channel crossings with 135hp single engine?
Second an Ocean 38 which was very nice inside but neither of us were keen on the blue hull. Certainly space wise it is just what we are looking for. She particularly liked having separate loo and shower.
Lastly a 36 which offered most of what the 38 had but a bit cheaper/older. One thing that confused me a little is that the 36 is described on the BOC website as having a ‘planing’ hull whereas the others are semi displacement. Is this going to make it harder to handle at slow speeds in windy conditions? It was something we noticed with the Bayliner when over in France, particularly when we had the engine failure.
The 36 has the lower air draft as the windows fold as well as the arch which may be a factor for canals.
Otherwise confirmed selling the old boat at this time of the year is going to be the problem. One of the brokers had an identical one to ours which seemed to have been there for a while.
First was a 35CL which was OK but didn’t seem to be a leap forward from our Bayliner and the good lady didn’t like that the second berth was open to the galley area. Also skeptical of the statement “ The Broom 35cl is powered by a Perkins Sabre M135L 135hp diesel engine. It is designed for both cruising inland waterways and making serious sea passages“ Would you be comfortable doing channel crossings with 135hp single engine?
Second an Ocean 38 which was very nice inside but neither of us were keen on the blue hull. Certainly space wise it is just what we are looking for. She particularly liked having separate loo and shower.
Lastly a 36 which offered most of what the 38 had but a bit cheaper/older. One thing that confused me a little is that the 36 is described on the BOC website as having a ‘planing’ hull whereas the others are semi displacement. Is this going to make it harder to handle at slow speeds in windy conditions? It was something we noticed with the Bayliner when over in France, particularly when we had the engine failure.
The 36 has the lower air draft as the windows fold as well as the arch which may be a factor for canals.
Otherwise confirmed selling the old boat at this time of the year is going to be the problem. One of the brokers had an identical one to ours which seemed to have been there for a while.
Greg2
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The 35cl with a single engine is perfectly capable of sea passages and having a single engine isn’t a bar to this - we tend to prefer twins in the UK for redundancy and a bit of speed but with good fuel filtration a single engine is perfectly acceptable but max speed will be around 8 knots flat out. We considered one and had a trial on the river but whilst capable they also have a tendency to roll and without a bit more speed to provide dynamic stability it wasn’t our first choice for sea passages.
The planing hull of the 36 will be absolutely fine to handle at low speeds - the twin engines on shafts will mean that she is stable and very manoeuvrable, a world of difference from your Bayliner, which I presume has outdrives? See my earlier reply at #4.
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The planing hull of the 36 will be absolutely fine to handle at low speeds - the twin engines on shafts will mean that she is stable and very manoeuvrable, a world of difference from your Bayliner, which I presume has outdrives? See my earlier reply at #4.
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SimonX
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It currently has 1900 hours on the engines. How many would you expect it to do before needing major rebuilding? Any guesses on cost?
Our current boat has only done 800 but, being petrol with out drives has been quite pricey to service.
Are the Yanmar engines better than the Perkins ones that seem to be fitted on some?
SimonX
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Yes, we have outdrives but never again…licence for repairers to print money.
Good to know on the 36, I was impressed by it and, being cheaper gives scope for spending to update. The airdraft is also lower which may be advantage.
We are currently cleaning and tidying the Bayliner with a view to contacting brokers but her ladyship seems to be surfing to find a late canal boat bargain to “get the feel of it”. We have longboated in the U.K. before but Netherlands and France will be new to us.
SimonX
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Do you find you need to lower the windows on the canals where you are? You are in Netherlands and Belgium I see.
My wife has booked us On a LeBoat holiday in Netherlands starting Monday and looking at the boat spec I was quite surprised to see it has an air draft of only 2.68m.
We need to have a closer look at places we are potentially going to go when we buy our own boat. On this trip we are going to meet up with her relations in Utrecht but she also, at some future date, fancies retracing the other side of her family who were flax growers in Flanders.
Beyond that we are both keen to see more of France and the 3.2 of the Broom Ocean 38 seems fine for that.
If you do lower the windows, do they seal again OK when you put them back up?
Alicatt
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Not had to lower the windows yet 
Our last trip out we took the flag poles off the radar arch and lowered the AIS & VHF antennas a bit and we could get under the lowest bridge on our canal which is 4.1m
On our 200km trip through the Netherlands last year we never had to lower the arch or even the antennas, the majority of the fixed bridges are over 5m clearance but there were a lot of opening bridges that we had to wait for them to open.
Never took the windows down, I keep thinking of doing it but never get around to it, there is a bit of water ingress during heavy rain and is one of the things I have to look at this winter when the boat is coming out the water.
This is Hunter from a year ago, we were waiting on the locks opening to take us up onto the same level as the town of Weert on the South Willemsvaart which joins on to the Bocholt-Herentals Kanaal in Belgium
Here I have taken down the tent but left the arch up
Our last trip out we took the flag poles off the radar arch and lowered the AIS & VHF antennas a bit and we could get under the lowest bridge on our canal which is 4.1m
On our 200km trip through the Netherlands last year we never had to lower the arch or even the antennas, the majority of the fixed bridges are over 5m clearance but there were a lot of opening bridges that we had to wait for them to open.
Never took the windows down, I keep thinking of doing it but never get around to it, there is a bit of water ingress during heavy rain and is one of the things I have to look at this winter when the boat is coming out the water.
This is Hunter from a year ago, we were waiting on the locks opening to take us up onto the same level as the town of Weert on the South Willemsvaart which joins on to the Bocholt-Herentals Kanaal in Belgium
Here I have taken down the tent but left the arch up
Greg2
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As I mentioned at #4, Broom built their boats, particularly the CL range, with cruising the inland waterways of Europe in mind.
Their original line up in the combined inland / seagoing genre was based upon the same hull 37’ hull and started with the Continental 37 (the name is an indicator), the Ocean 37 (which Alicatt has) and finally the Crown. They developed the 38 (initially called an Ocean 38 and latterly the 38CL) to replace these boats and suitability for Europe was the top priority. It was almost an accident that they turned out to be such a good sea boat.
Unless going well off piste the 38 should do what you need and the fixed screens are my preferred option. We had an Ocean 37 and a previous owner had resorted to silicone along the windscreen sections where they joined, presumably to stop leaks. We had no idea until we had to drop the screen in a hurry on a rising tide to get under a low bridge on the Broads and it caused a bit of a phaff!
Our Ocean had a lovely chromed searchlight (as does Alicatt’s in the photo) and it meant that combined with the dash in the cockpit, dropping the screen only achieved so much. I never tried removing the searchlight but I did look and it wasn’t a job you want to do regularly.
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SimonX
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Thanks both.
Certainly looks like the Broom Ocean 38/ CL is the best option. The wife really liked the owners cabin and having the separate heads on ‘my’ side of the bed is a boon for chaps of a certain age who need to visit in the night! She also liked the separate dining area and seating/lounge whereas I like the bigger combined on the 36.
Been taking all our clutter out of the Bayliner and going to get it professionally cleaned and polished when we get back from out trip to Netherlands
Certainly looks like the Broom Ocean 38/ CL is the best option. The wife really liked the owners cabin and having the separate heads on ‘my’ side of the bed is a boon for chaps of a certain age who need to visit in the night! She also liked the separate dining area and seating/lounge whereas I like the bigger combined on the 36.
Been taking all our clutter out of the Bayliner and going to get it professionally cleaned and polished when we get back from out trip to Netherlands
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Alicatt
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Veel plezier vaaren, ( have plenty happy times sailing) it is very nice there at this time of year, the trees are just at the start of turning, so will be still predominantly green, and the weather has been good this past week, it has been around 29c where we live in Belgium, though we are in the 15c Scottish weather at the moment but at least it is not raining at Loch Lomond just now
The Broom Owners Club do organised trips over to The Netherlands every couple of years and one of the ex technicians from Broom keeps his Ocean 37 'Chinook' in Sneek in Friesland.
Our boat was bought new in The Netherlands and it's original owner sailed her to the UK a few times, she has been used as a safety boat at yacht regattas and when the yacht club at Veere went to Brixham Hunter was used as the safety boat for that crossing. There is a plaque commemorating the 300NM crossing she undertook.
The Broom Owners Club do organised trips over to The Netherlands every couple of years and one of the ex technicians from Broom keeps his Ocean 37 'Chinook' in Sneek in Friesland.
Our boat was bought new in The Netherlands and it's original owner sailed her to the UK a few times, she has been used as a safety boat at yacht regattas and when the yacht club at Veere went to Brixham Hunter was used as the safety boat for that crossing. There is a plaque commemorating the 300NM crossing she undertook.
Greg2
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I remember 'Chinook' when she was moored opposite us in Brundall on the Broads.
Alicatt
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That was the last Ocean 37 built, originally it belonged to one of the Broom family, it's layout is different than the other Ocean 37s in that it has 3 cabins
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SimonX
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Funnily enough, the wife has added this to to our “have a look at” list although my gut feeling is it’s too old and too big.So I was mentioning this thread to my wife.....
She said "We need a bigger boat..."
Broom 41 for sale UK, Broom boats for sale, Broom used boat sales, Broom Motor Boats For Sale 1993 Broom 41 - Apollo Duck
It certainly looks like there is a fair amount out there.
Alicatt
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Nice layout somewhat similar to the 42CL.
Sabre engines look a bit rusty though for less than 1000 hours, mine have done almost 4000 hours and are15 years older, they don't look as bad as those,
Makes you wonder what was skipped in maintenance
Sabre engines look a bit rusty though for less than 1000 hours, mine have done almost 4000 hours and are15 years older, they don't look as bad as those,
Makes you wonder what was skipped in maintenance
Bouba
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That boat has a nice layout.....nice flow through....nice to live on. Not sure what the purpose of the lower lounge is, except to eat....and the only problem with rear cabins is the swim platform can only be reached with a ladder to the rear cockpit...this makes life very difficult for a dog. There are some rear cabin boats that have a molded staircase from the swim platform to the cockpit or flybridge....this makes an intrusion into the rear cabin but not a huge one.
The engine rust is hopefully only surface
SimonX
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There’s a video on YouTube of it which was what attracted the wife.
Might take a trip when we get back.
On the dog, we’ve never had one but funnily enough we have talked about having one when we retired.
On the separate eating area, she likes that and it’s so she can chill in the other area while I clear the dishes and wash up… (she does that at home)
Bouba
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Those wide side decks, high railings and long grab rails....are excellent for those huge, very deep, dark, scary European locks....they will make things much safer especially for the wife.
Does she have thrusters ?...very handy for close quarter handling in locks....especially the circular ones in the Canal du Midii
Alicatt
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Broom changed that when they brought out the 42CL slightly larger swim platform with inbuilt steps up to the cockpit, but that is another £100k on top of the price for that 41
At home it is myself that does the cooking and clearing up, on the boat my fife does it for a change
her comment about the 41 was "Its a long way from the galley to the cockpit, I might spill on those nice carpets"It's fine as long as you are not trapped under the lock door....Those wide side decks, high railings and long grab rails....are excellent for those huge, very deep, dark, scary European locks....they will make things much safer especially for the wife.
Does she have thrusters ?...very handy for close quarter handling in locks....especially the circular ones in the Canal du Midii
The wife can SCREAM!
SimonX
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Just bow as far as I can see.Those wide side decks, high railings and long grab rails....are excellent for those huge, very deep, dark, scary European locks....they will make things much safer especially for the wife.
Does she have thrusters ?...very handy for close quarter handling in locks....especially the circular ones in the Canal du Midii
Herself really fancies Canal du Midi having watched a Timmy West/Prunela Scales thing on it, it was her first choice for next week’s escape but Netherlands was much cheaper and we get to see the in-laws.
Maybe at some point in the future we might travel that far but we’d have to plan carefully to avoid the VAT rules.