webcraft
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Hear hear. It is one thing spouting bilge in the Lounge, but let's keep it off here, which is public.
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Lobster pots: what happens and what do you do?
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Hear hear. It is one thing spouting bilge in the Lounge, but let's keep it off here, which is public.
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BelleSerene
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By what authority? Help us all here: we'd feel pretty bad removing someone's property from the sea because we think it's not allowed, only to find out from the police that no such rule applies here and we're the criminals for stealing fishing equipment.
Seajet
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Unmarked rubbish left around carelessly with no thought for others and presenting a hazard to safe navigation is hardly 'fishing equipment', and disposing of it safely hardly theft.
I agree it is a huge pity that the pot trap will stay on the seabed, a threat to seabed creatures of all sorts, but a yacht simply cannot deal with this, and anyway if found lifting a pot no doubt would be called a thief - sadly it's the line and float which have to go, top priority is human life.
I am of course suggesting the line and float should if at all possible be taken aboard and later properly disposed of ashore.
I agree it is a huge pity that the pot trap will stay on the seabed, a threat to seabed creatures of all sorts, but a yacht simply cannot deal with this, and anyway if found lifting a pot no doubt would be called a thief - sadly it's the line and float which have to go, top priority is human life.
I am of course suggesting the line and float should if at all possible be taken aboard and later properly disposed of ashore.
blueglass
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I note that the fishing lobby on here is all of the caveat emptor variety. ie. it is the responsibilty of the boating public to avoid being caught up.
We must keep out of areas where pots are laid
we must keep a better watch,
we must seek information from fishermen about pot location.
failing the above and accepting the inevitable we must fit rope cutters, carry crash helmets ,fit access hatches etc
Not a word on their own responsibilties to clearly mark. No explanation of why they are not able to do this. Not even a half way approach, just an arrogant shift of the onus onto us to keep out of their way. Totally unacceptable.
We must keep out of areas where pots are laid
we must keep a better watch,
we must seek information from fishermen about pot location.
failing the above and accepting the inevitable we must fit rope cutters, carry crash helmets ,fit access hatches etc
Not a word on their own responsibilties to clearly mark. No explanation of why they are not able to do this. Not even a half way approach, just an arrogant shift of the onus onto us to keep out of their way. Totally unacceptable.
BelleSerene
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If we believe that 'Unmarked fishing gear can be regarded as "abandoned fishing gear"' which 'can and should be removed' (Haydude), then that applies just as much to the lobster pot as it does to the line and float. In which case the above isn't true.
I agree with you as a moral point - but again, where's the law that says unmarked gear is to be regarded as abandoned?
Seajet
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Where's the law that says it isn't abandoned ?
Where's the law which gives anyone the right to leave hazards lying around ?
Would you leave broken glass across a road deleiberately ?
How about string a wire across a road between lamposts at throat height ?
I suppose they are Ok as well are they, as long as one is a seagoing Pikey ?
Where's the law which gives anyone the right to leave hazards lying around ?
Would you leave broken glass across a road deleiberately ?
How about string a wire across a road between lamposts at throat height ?
I suppose they are Ok as well are they, as long as one is a seagoing Pikey ?
BelleSerene
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Hey, I'm with your moral argument. But if I act on it I don't want to be on the wrong side of the law.
Anyone else know?
strakeryrius
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What a complete non-starter of an idea. Have you any idea of how long it would take to track down and talk to every fisherman in the port of Poole? And that would just be my starting point, if I'm cruising to Cowes say, then I'd have to talk to every fisherman from every port along the way. I have to say this is one of the most idiotic suggestions I've ever seen on the forums.
If fishermen really are happy to help out, don't want to lose gear, and don't want to damage other boats then there's an easy solution - mark your pots properly. It would actually be cheaper for the fishermen in the long term, as properly marked pots won't get run over, so the gear to mark them will be a one-off expense, as you won't need to keep replacing it.
prv
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Saying "fishermen are parasites and we should all sabotage their gear" is not exactly the picture of humility, is it?
As far as I'm concerned pot buoys are an ordinary hazard of the sea like sandbanks, floating containers, and bulk carriers coming over the horizon at 18 knots. Yes, it might be nice if they all had a big flag on top, but they don't and that's that.
Pete
webcraft
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Well said Pete. I really can't believe the attitude of some of the WAFIs on here. What fishermen reading this thread must think I really can't imagine. If you can't face the horror of lobster pot markers then all I can say is, worse things happen at sea so stay ashore.
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Seajet
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Thing is, natural or unavoidable hazards, we're either set up to deal with or pragmatic about.
It's avoidable hazards perpetrated by careless berks we're objecting to, I was going to say 'gettit' but there's no hope.
A lot better WA than just plain FI like you two.
It's avoidable hazards perpetrated by careless berks we're objecting to, I was going to say 'gettit' but there's no hope.
A lot better WA than just plain FI like you two.
Fascadale
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Well said
Sgeir
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Agreed. There is a level of nastiness and intolerance in this thread which does not reflect well on the Forum; I think we can do without it.
Ubergeekian
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Indeed. This idea that someone who wants to make a quick buck has every right to impede and possibly endanger any other seafarer is quite unacceptable.
webcraft
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I would like to think you misunderstood my learned friend . . . but I do worry that you are simply unable to resist the opportunity to score a cheap point.
Where I sail fishermen and yachties by and large respect and understand each other and get on well. A few owners of larger boats may make a bit of money, but for the deck crew there is no such thing as a 'quick buck', it is just a cold, dangerous job. Our local moorings association is 50% pleasure boats and 50% fishing boats, and while our local waters are littered with pots marked in various ways, some more visible than others, few problems are encountered and any misadventure is dealt with in a pragmatic and philosophical manner.
Fisherman are the last hunter gatherers, and to refer to them as parasites or criminals as others have on this thread demonstrates a lack of understanding and an arrogance that demeans sailors everywhere and reflects poorly on our sport and on YBW.
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Seajet
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And these towering colossi of the cerebral world don't seem to catch on that sandbanksand ships have a right to be there, containers shouldn't as it's basically carelesness but we know the risk, which leaves pot deliberately placed by uncaring nautical pikeys who don't want to see the difference.
No point saying any more, we can't beat sense into them, Darwin can't win 'em all !
No point saying any more, we can't beat sense into them, Darwin can't win 'em all !
webcraft
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lenten
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i am proud to have been a fisherman
i fished mainly single handed for 15 years---i had pride in my boat handling skills---pride in my fishing skills---but my biggest source of quiet satisfaction was that i provided food for people---i am very sad and disapointed with this thread---regards lenten
i fished mainly single handed for 15 years---i had pride in my boat handling skills---pride in my fishing skills---but my biggest source of quiet satisfaction was that i provided food for people---i am very sad and disapointed with this thread---regards lenten
webcraft
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I too am disappointed, and even angry at the stupid, thoughtless remarks made by some alleged yachtsmen on here. As I said earlier in the thread we share our moorings association and our local waters amicably with fishermen. One of the local boats helped me replace our mooring riser last year, and we often get a bag of squats or prawns from another. Fishing boats wave to us as they pass (with all five fingers, not two!). A good sailing friend in Ireland was a trawlerman himself before he retired and bought a yacht.
Not all of us WAFIs are utter pilchards, but this thread has certainly done nothing to endear yachties as a whole to fishermen and others whose work takes them to sea.
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It is on my shopping list to buy either a Gecko or a caving/climbing helmet for just that very reason. The stern of a yacht, dead in the water, is a formidable thing bouncing up and down, when it hits you over the head.
Also to be used 'at sea' if going aloft. I have heard of crew getting a severe beating about the head from the mast, spreaders and rigging when hauled aloft whilst away from the safety of the harbour/marina.
