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billskip said:
So hypothetical, if I bought a yacht UK vat paid off a bloke in France with all the correct bill of sale etc, and sailed it back to UK, me being UK citizen passport holder, what could they do about it if I was unable to understand their requirements?
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Being a British citizen doesn’t exempt you from British laws....you’re not in Spain
 
Bouba said:
Being a British citizen doesn’t exempt you from British laws....you’re not in Spain
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Is it a law? or a requirement of a system?

@st599. Does it lose its vat paid because a private deal was done on forign soil?
Ok then remain with the hypothetical bit, the bloke asked me to take it back to the UK for him....he decided to fly back.

The question really is can they control your movements by insisting you have technology, email and smart phone?

I remember years ago being ' forced' to get a bank account as the company decided to not pay cash any longer...there was big problem with companies and all sorts of difficulties during the transition...

They have to make allowances for old gits like me that doesn't understand how to use their system.
 
billskip said:
Is it a law? or a requirement of a system?

@st599. Does it lose its vat paid because a private deal was done on forign soil?
Ok then remain with the hypothetical bit, the bloke asked me to take it back to the UK for him....he decided to fly back.

The question really is can they control your movements by insisting you have technology, email and smart phone?

I remember years ago being ' forced' to get a bank account as the company decided to not pay cash any longer...there was big problem with companies and all sorts of difficulties during the transition...

They have to make allowances for old gits like me that doesn't understand how to use their system.
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By not having a cellphone…I believe that you have violated your human rights
 
billskip said:
Is it a law? or a requirement of a system?

@st599. Does it lose its vat paid because a private deal was done on forign soil?
Ok then remain with the hypothetical bit, the bloke asked me to take it back to the UK for him....he decided to fly back.

The question really is can they control your movements by insisting you have technology, email and smart phone?

I remember years ago being ' forced' to get a bank account as the company decided to not pay cash any longer...there was big problem with companies and all sorts of difficulties during the transition...

They have to make allowances for old gits like me that doesn't understand how to use their system.
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It lost it's UK VAT paid status on leaving the UK, the original exporter can bring it back and claim Returned Goods Relief and get it back. A new owner can't.
 
I emailed it back stating that it was far to complex for mere mortals to comprehend and saying that they need to think it out again. They should make it quite simple, go online stick inthe passport numbers and either clear the boat or require it to go to a port of entry.
 
st599 said:
It lost it's UK VAT paid status on leaving the UK, the original exporter can bring it back and claim Returned Goods Relief and get it back. A new owner can't.
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How can that be?are you saying any UK boat going for a weekend sail to France loses its vat status?
 
billskip said:
How can that be?are you saying any UK boat going for a weekend sail to France loses its vat status?
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Berthon said:
In simple terms there is no longer the free, unfettered movement of pleasure craft to and from what is now the EU27 – whenever a yacht leaves the UK or the EU27 this is an ‘export’ and, more importantly, whenever a yacht enters either the UK territory or the territory of the EU27 it is an ‘import’. Therefore movements between the UK and the EU27 are now subject to border controls and relevant Customs provisions and as such VAT (and in some case Customs Duty) is potentially due each and every time a pleasure craft enters either territory, unless it qualifies for one of the available reliefs:

  • Returned Goods Relief (RGR)
  • Temporary Admission (TA)
  • Transfer of Residence (ToR)
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The Other Side of Brexit – VAT & Customs - Berthon International

So yes, it does. You can claim Temporary Admission when you head over and Returned Goods Relief when you pop back (provided you haven't upgraded anything on board). You do that using the web app. But for your question, only the original exporter can claim RGR when coming back to the UK.
 
st599 said:
The Other Side of Brexit – VAT & Customs - Berthon International

So yes, it does. You can claim Temporary Admission when you head over and Returned Goods Relief when you pop back (provided you haven't upgraded anything on board). You do that using the web app. But for your question, only the original exporter can claim RGR when coming back to the UK.
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Ok thanks st599, I think a few to many caipirinha's got me a little confused last night...its an age thing....don't drink and type/text ...
 
DJE said:
One submits a paper form by post. Or so it seems to say here.
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The bad thing is needing to print the form to post it to them.
I can manage online forms but filling in pdf you can forget.
As for printers they are the work of Satan and demand a human sacrifice (me) to get to even wirral and clunk.

I will only sail myself abroad to claim asylum from the Internet forms blatant ageist dictatorial take over.
 
DJE said:
In the old days, when we only needed them for the channel islands, I kept a few blank paper forms in the chart table.
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I think they're being deprecated as the web app is now linked to the immigration database to check a person's eligibility to enter the UK.
There was a lot of discussion on the call they had for RYA clubs. One major issue is that you can't submit the form until 24 hours before arrival - if you're saying popping back from Spain, you would be at sea needing internet and then may be required to offload someone.
 
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