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There's a light on my DV board that has just come on. The label says "Holding Tank Full - Port". What should I do?
jimi
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Most port needs to be decanted before drinking. This is to prevent any sediment that may have formed in the holding tank, being poured into the glass. Some Port wines have been filtered before storage and therefore don't throw a sediment.
However decanting is such a very simple process though that I recommend you decant ALL of your Port before serving, as not only does it remove any sediment it also aerates the wine helping bring out the flavours of the wine on both the nose and the palate.
To Decant Port (or any other wine) :
- firstly, carefully keep the boat upright and leave for as long as possible, (upto 2 days if possible, but even 10-20 minutes is beneficial). This allows any sediment to fall to the bottom of the tank.
- second, turn the outlet tap slowly so as not to disturb the sediment that has collected at the bottom of the tank.
- lastly, very slowly pour the Port into a decanter, stopping just before the sediment starts to flow out of the tank.
This method unfortunately leaves a small amount of good wine in the tank (which I hate to see), so an alternative method is to place a piece of fine muslin cloth doubled over (or doubled, then doubled again) into a funnel, and place the funnel in the decanter. Now if you use the same decanting process as above you can continue to pour almost all of the Port out of the tank because the muslin traps any sediment.
Port is not drunk solely for the wine itself. It is also drunk as a social activity and for the sense of the occasion.
It is therefore good etiquette, and also jolly good fun, to follow the rules :
- the Port should start with the host, who pours the guest to his right, and then
- the Port is passed to the guest on the left, (who in turn pours the guest to their right)
- and so on until the entire table has been served.
If a guest requires more Port it is extremely bad manners for them to openly ask for the Port. The correct method of obtaining the Port is to ask the guest nearest to the decanter whether they know Steve101. This 'signal' does not require an answer but should result in the decanter being passed (left-wards) around the table to the person requiring the Port. If unfortunately the guest to whom the question is put does not understand the 'signal' and mistakenly answers "No I don't" then your response should be appropriately scornful "Steve101 is a terribly good chap, but he never passes the Port !".
(This assumes of course that you are not in the company of people who do actually know Steve101 - which I suspect is not very often. If however you are then you will have to agree your own 'signal').
Another tradition is the 'Laying Down of Port' where a Stingo lays down Port for JImi.
This can be done in one of two ways :
- either by purchasing an entire pipe (145 US Gallons) now, or
- by purchasing a case every year until Jimi's 91st birthday,
(the slightly cheaper alternative is to purchase a case of only the declared Vintages rather than every year).
The only caution I would advise however is that the Port needs to be stored OUT OF REACH of Stingo - lest he be tempted to consume it rather than pass it on !
Hope that helps
However decanting is such a very simple process though that I recommend you decant ALL of your Port before serving, as not only does it remove any sediment it also aerates the wine helping bring out the flavours of the wine on both the nose and the palate.
To Decant Port (or any other wine) :
- firstly, carefully keep the boat upright and leave for as long as possible, (upto 2 days if possible, but even 10-20 minutes is beneficial). This allows any sediment to fall to the bottom of the tank.
- second, turn the outlet tap slowly so as not to disturb the sediment that has collected at the bottom of the tank.
- lastly, very slowly pour the Port into a decanter, stopping just before the sediment starts to flow out of the tank.
This method unfortunately leaves a small amount of good wine in the tank (which I hate to see), so an alternative method is to place a piece of fine muslin cloth doubled over (or doubled, then doubled again) into a funnel, and place the funnel in the decanter. Now if you use the same decanting process as above you can continue to pour almost all of the Port out of the tank because the muslin traps any sediment.
Port is not drunk solely for the wine itself. It is also drunk as a social activity and for the sense of the occasion.
It is therefore good etiquette, and also jolly good fun, to follow the rules :
- the Port should start with the host, who pours the guest to his right, and then
- the Port is passed to the guest on the left, (who in turn pours the guest to their right)
- and so on until the entire table has been served.
If a guest requires more Port it is extremely bad manners for them to openly ask for the Port. The correct method of obtaining the Port is to ask the guest nearest to the decanter whether they know Steve101. This 'signal' does not require an answer but should result in the decanter being passed (left-wards) around the table to the person requiring the Port. If unfortunately the guest to whom the question is put does not understand the 'signal' and mistakenly answers "No I don't" then your response should be appropriately scornful "Steve101 is a terribly good chap, but he never passes the Port !".
(This assumes of course that you are not in the company of people who do actually know Steve101 - which I suspect is not very often. If however you are then you will have to agree your own 'signal').
Another tradition is the 'Laying Down of Port' where a Stingo lays down Port for JImi.
This can be done in one of two ways :
- either by purchasing an entire pipe (145 US Gallons) now, or
- by purchasing a case every year until Jimi's 91st birthday,
(the slightly cheaper alternative is to purchase a case of only the declared Vintages rather than every year).
The only caution I would advise however is that the Port needs to be stored OUT OF REACH of Stingo - lest he be tempted to consume it rather than pass it on !
Hope that helps
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You're taking the piss. How do I empty it (the valve is open) and there are no such niceties as honey-suckers in South Africa - we're still of the school of thought that the grey mullet need feeding, but are not to be fed on.
jimi
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Is there a button you can press to pump it out, or a pump handle?
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nowt, it drains by gravity, so there must be a blockage somewhere. There is not enough of a gap between the top of the tank and the deck to get my favourite wooden spoon into the tank, in order to stir it up a bit - especially near the outlet pipe.
zefender
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For a longer term solution, try taking Immodium
exfinnsailor
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Holding Tank FULL
If its gravity and you have been putting paper down then you probably have a mat of the stuff at the botom of the tank .. We had a Bavaria for a week and had the same problem .. Lots of banging on the side of the tank and a tacking duel with friends in another boat cleared it after about an hour .. You may find an inspection hatch .. The Bavaria had one half way up the tank .. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif .. Next is get it pumped out .. You should have a drain cap on deck .. Next push something up from outside and see if you can dislodge it .. We have a Beneteau with a macerator pump but it only pumps when it is full .. Home that lot helps .. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif We have a rule on bord that if its not been eaten or drunk it goes in the waste bag not down the heads
If its gravity and you have been putting paper down then you probably have a mat of the stuff at the botom of the tank .. We had a Bavaria for a week and had the same problem .. Lots of banging on the side of the tank and a tacking duel with friends in another boat cleared it after about an hour .. You may find an inspection hatch .. The Bavaria had one half way up the tank .. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif .. Next is get it pumped out .. You should have a drain cap on deck .. Next push something up from outside and see if you can dislodge it .. We have a Beneteau with a macerator pump but it only pumps when it is full .. Home that lot helps .. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif We have a rule on bord that if its not been eaten or drunk it goes in the waste bag not down the heads
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Re: Holding Tank FULL
There are a few flaws in your proposals:
- Stingo is a catamaran, so a tacking duel won't help.
- See my earlier post about getting it pumped out - it's not going to happen.
- There is an inspection hatch - see my earlier post about the lack of a gap between it and the deck.
- Pushing something up from the outside is not possible without getting into the water - err, would you like to volunteer?
There are a few flaws in your proposals:
- Stingo is a catamaran, so a tacking duel won't help.
- See my earlier post about getting it pumped out - it's not going to happen.
- There is an inspection hatch - see my earlier post about the lack of a gap between it and the deck.
- Pushing something up from the outside is not possible without getting into the water - err, would you like to volunteer?
Twister_Ken
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Re: Holding Tank FULL
First, find your holding tank...
First, find your holding tank...
exfinnsailor
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Re: Holding Tank FULL
Hmm .. Pitchpole .. Might shake it loose .. How windy is it .. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif .. Dingy pump in the outside hole and pump . Dingy pump hose fed into the top of the tank and pump .. Put a hole in the lid and fit dingy pump to give pressure inside tank .. Use a THUNDERBOX .. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Hmm .. Pitchpole .. Might shake it loose .. How windy is it .. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif .. Dingy pump in the outside hole and pump . Dingy pump hose fed into the top of the tank and pump .. Put a hole in the lid and fit dingy pump to give pressure inside tank .. Use a THUNDERBOX .. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
longjohnsilver
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Re: Holding Tank FULL
How about pushing a hose into the hole and then turn it on to max pressure, or failing that use compressed air. That normally shifts anything.
How about pushing a hose into the hole and then turn it on to max pressure, or failing that use compressed air. That normally shifts anything.
Resolution
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Thank you Jimi for bringing a ray of sunshine into a filthy wet day!
bigwow
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You're taking the piss. How do I empty it (the valve is open) and there are no such niceties as honey-suckers in South Africa - we're still of the school of thought that the grey mullet need feeding, but are not to be fed on.
[/ QUOTE ]
The seacock handle may be turning but is the seacock opening. I had the same problem and ended up with my son opening the ball valve from underneath with a screwdiver up the hole. We had lifted out, the yard stunk for days.
/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
You're taking the piss. How do I empty it (the valve is open) and there are no such niceties as honey-suckers in South Africa - we're still of the school of thought that the grey mullet need feeding, but are not to be fed on.
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The seacock handle may be turning but is the seacock opening. I had the same problem and ended up with my son opening the ball valve from underneath with a screwdiver up the hole. We had lifted out, the yard stunk for days.
/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
stevebirch2002
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That's a real [--word removed--].......
bilbobaggins
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Re: Holding Tank FULL
Maybe the time has come to sell your boat and acquire another, sans effluvium....
Or lend it to an unsuspecting good friend ( are there such? ) with the strict enjoinder to 'leave it as you would wish to find it'..... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
have you considered hoisting a Yellow Flag and anchoring in the Quarantine Berth? /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Maybe the time has come to sell your boat and acquire another, sans effluvium....
Or lend it to an unsuspecting good friend ( are there such? ) with the strict enjoinder to 'leave it as you would wish to find it'..... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
have you considered hoisting a Yellow Flag and anchoring in the Quarantine Berth? /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
BlueSkyNick
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Simple - just crap in the heads in the starboard hull as that tank apparently has space in it. When it fills, worry about the problem then.
boatmike
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Stingo mate (or should that be Stinko) /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Your yard have short changed you. You should have a pump on the outlet of the tank to sea. Sometimes (as on my boat wot I built meself) this is no more than a good bilge pump operated by hand. You stand about as much chance of draining settled poop by gravity alone as pushing a jelly uphill.
Your problem now is you have a full tank and can't go poo poos anymore until you clear it.
I think if it were me I would
1. Buy a good hand operated bilge pump and some tubing.
2. Rig up some way of emptying the tank with this pump from the top either through the pump out 'ole in the deck (if you have one this should lead to the bottom of your tank and all you need is the right connector)
3. Wash out the tank by pumping sea water in via your toilet flush and empty again with pump.
4. When the tank is empty install the pump permanently in the line from the tank to the seacock.
In the meantime poop in a bucket. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif Have fun! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Your yard have short changed you. You should have a pump on the outlet of the tank to sea. Sometimes (as on my boat wot I built meself) this is no more than a good bilge pump operated by hand. You stand about as much chance of draining settled poop by gravity alone as pushing a jelly uphill.
Your problem now is you have a full tank and can't go poo poos anymore until you clear it.
I think if it were me I would
1. Buy a good hand operated bilge pump and some tubing.
2. Rig up some way of emptying the tank with this pump from the top either through the pump out 'ole in the deck (if you have one this should lead to the bottom of your tank and all you need is the right connector)
3. Wash out the tank by pumping sea water in via your toilet flush and empty again with pump.
4. When the tank is empty install the pump permanently in the line from the tank to the seacock.
In the meantime poop in a bucket. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif Have fun! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
BlueSkyNick
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... this is no more than a good bilge pump operated by hand.
[/ QUOTE ] That is exactly what ours is, not that it has ever been used.
... this is no more than a good bilge pump operated by hand.
[/ QUOTE ] That is exactly what ours is, not that it has ever been used.
tcm
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izzis a real question? Holding tank level indicators are notoriously rubbish due to level indicators being cloged with the obvious. So the tank could be almost empty but the level indicator stil shows ful. One solution for this is to er open the thing, flsuh wiv hose pipe, reseal.
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Yep, it's genuine question. Am about to head off to the local hardware store and buy one of those flexible rods that plumbers use.
