petem
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JFM explained it clearer though!
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petem
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The relevance of midnight being that it's the reset time for a new day.
Arrive Schengen on Monday 00:01 and leave on Monday 23:59 counts as one day.
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petem
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If you have a wife or partner who is an EU citizen then time spent with them does not count towards the 90 days in 180. Worth considering if you or your partner can apply for Irish citizenship by heritage (i.e. by way of a parent or grandparent born on the island or Ireland).
st599
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On an RYA clubs call and in a few press items, it was stated that that was offered to the UK by the EU, but the UK refused it.
PlanB
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If it helps the thought process, in 2005 I took my Princess 435 to the Med round the outside - too high for canals, even with lowered radar arch.
Fuel cost then was £9750.
Fuel cost then was £9750.
jfm
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Do you have a reference for that Pete? I'm surprised by it. I'm also wondering how it can be policed/enforced when the electronic day-counting system starts- the computer will surely say "no" to the partner/spouse who doesn't hold the EU passport, I would expect.
Greg2
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My understanding is that if travelling with my wife, who has an Irish passport, I can stay longer than 90 days in an EU country. I have yet to properly research and confirm but I have spoken with people on here who are doing it and read some stuff that tends to confirm it. All about not restricting her freedom of movement as opposed to giving me the same apparently. I have also read that after 90 days it is necessary to move on but this can be to another EU country unless I apply for a visa, which should be granted swiftly.
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petem
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John, this is generally regarded as the most definitive document:
https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2022-11/Practical handbook for border guards_en.pdf - page 20 section 2.1.2
You're right that EES won't cater for this but neither did the old passport stamping regime (non EU citizens travelling with EU citizens still had to have their passports stamped).
The onus has always been (and will continue to be) on the non EU citizen to demonstrate that they've accompanied an EU citizen by keeping records like boarding cards, etc.
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petem
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After 90 days you need to register in Spain. In order to do this, you do need to illustrate that you have some income and health cover (not just a GHIC). Alternatively, you need to spend a night (i.e. a complete 24 hour period) in another country.
Obviously, you also need to consider tax implications if you're staying for more than 180 days.
petem
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And before anyone asks, there is no definitive rule for whether a EU/non EU couple should join the EU or non EU queue at immigration. This not only varies by country, it also varies by airport.
jfm
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Thanks Pete. I also just noticed that it's here too: Travel documents for non-EU family members - Your Europe
jfm
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Yup. I find in practice that joining the EU queue invariably works - at least, I never had a refusal situation with 1 EU and 1 non-EU passport in the EU queue.
I vaguely remember some official EU guidance on this exact point but I can't remember where.
petem
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Apparently, at Alicante they make you join the non EU queue. We'll have to see if that changes with EES (not that there's ever a delay at Alicante).
Alicatt
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Going through Weeze airport in Germany the passport control called me forward with my EU wife.
Also departing Weeze for Glasgow, wife got hauled in for a search as she had too little clothes in her cabin bag, "You are staying a month and only 2 pairs of underwear???" She got the full treatment even took the suitcase apart, Finally they called on me to confirm her story that we have an apartment in Scotland and she had clothing there she would be wearing.
Actually she wanted to hit the January sales and stuff her bag for the way back
Also departing Weeze for Glasgow, wife got hauled in for a search as she had too little clothes in her cabin bag, "You are staying a month and only 2 pairs of underwear???" She got the full treatment even took the suitcase apart, Finally they called on me to confirm her story that we have an apartment in Scotland and she had clothing there she would be wearing.
Actually she wanted to hit the January sales and stuff her bag for the way back
Greg2
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In my admittedly limited experience accompanying my wife in the EU queue was encouraged on arrival in Tenerife but doing the same when departing Munich with my Irish passport carrying son it was not possible because the EU lane was automated and couldn’t accept a UK passport, so I was caught in what appeared to be an endless queue and the flight had to be delayed to enable me and a lot of other passengers to get through.
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Hurricane
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Any new dates for EES yet - I'm a bit confused if it should be EES or ETIAS
PlanB
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EES (biometrics) to be phased in from next month to April (let's just see).
No date for ETIAS (three year "visa waiver" for a fee).
No date for ETIAS (three year "visa waiver" for a fee).
Hurricane
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AFAIK that "visa waiver" is just to cover the current Schengen visa that we (UK) enjoy now without having to apply for a visa.
st599
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It's not just a spouse - you can travel with your children if they're EU citizens and you're not (provided you also meet the required rules about permission to travel with them)
