Is the proposed Oban Marina a good idea?

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Webcrafts campaign to gather support for the proposal has encouraged me to think a bit about it, and if it is likely to benefit the town, so here goes!

Need? There is a marina available just across the bay with a frequent and reliable free ferry service right to the centre of the town. There are also visitors moorings with an all tide pontoon a short walk to the south of the town centre, payment is by honesty box and the reported high proportion of defaulters seems to indicate that many yachties do not place a great deal of value on the facility.

Location? Right across the bay in front of the main esplanade with its Victorian style railings and streetscape, handy for yachties going to the pubs but it will interrupt the sea view for the ice cream and fish and chip customers ashore. Not everyone finds yachts interesting to look at. Very close to the busy ferry linkspans, though the ferries do announce their arrival and departure by tannoy and on vhf but some eedjit will surely still manage to get in the way; the site is exposed to ferry wash but I presume the breakwater will deal with that. A secure marina right in the centre of a town with its gates and keep out notices is not endearing to non boat owners, the local perceives in your face opulence and arrogance and does not understand why he is excluded? A location down the Sound where the existing visitors buoys are, near the sailing club, would be a lot less visually damaging and there is room there for more shoreside facilities.

Pollution? enclosing the tight little inner bay with an effective but necessary breakwater in a location where shoreside sanitary facilities must be limited ( for instance in Tobermory the new toilets/showers close at 9pm.) may mean that the already quite scruffy little sand beach in the centre of town could become quite unpleasant. The majority of boats up here still do not have holding tanks.

Benefits? The real spend by visiting yachts is often a lot less than the car borne tourist they may displace, this is borne out by the debate on Webbys thread about the price of an Oban fish supper. Not all yachties are big spenders. I suspect that any increase may be balanced by a reduction in the Tesco bags going back on the Kerrera marina ferry and a lower spend on the seafront. There may be some entertainment for those ashore as boats come and go but not everyone is sufficiently vocal or incompetent to give a laugh. I presume the trip boat night moorings will go and that they will be accommodated on the pontoons. The volume of sea and land borne visitors fall off very rapidly to almost zero for about 60% of each year so a very seasonal benefit with little chance of extending the visiting season, in winter Oban is a very quiet place so businesses struggle.

Of course this is a provocative exposition for a yachting forum and not one I will share with the Argyll Planners on this occasion, but I am not convinced that we yachties are always the benefit to coastal communities that we imagine we are.
 
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Sailing tourism in Scotland is worth over £100 million a year. Oban is at the centre of West Coast sailing and currently receives very little of this. Tobermory has done very well out of its short stay transit marina, which also provides a facility for trip boats and cruise ship launches that Oban lacks. The existing foreshore between the two piers is nondescript and grubby.

Of course, it would be better to build a bigger marina in the NE corner of the bay, in front of the cathedral, but major breakwaters would be required and the cost has been estimated at £30 million.

I cannot think of anywhere else in Oban's position - the main town in the centre of a world class sailing area - that does not have a step-ashore facilty for visiting yachts.


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Ah yes, the perennial ****storm.

There are toilets on the North Pier. They are a lot nearer than (for example) the toilets in Largs Marina if you are in a visitors' berth near the marina entrance. (Or - many other examples throughout the UK)

You lot on here amaze me. You will argue with absolutely anything just for the thrill of seeing your own words in print. What you are saying - in public - is that most yachtsmen care nothing for the environment and happily foul their own nest on a regular basis.

Blue_mischief, you may shit in a marina at the drop of a hat, but most of us don't.


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But surely marinas are so invasive, sterile and boring and in-yer-face environmentally. We (marina using) boaters are surely quite seperatist from most other tourists visiting the town- by gates and perhaps by something more, well, 'social'.
You ok with all that and what that implies?

Presumably the marina will be charging a heady commercial rate , not so much left then in the kitty to plonk into the towns shops unless one is on a well padded budget- or is that the sort of marine visitor this is aimed at selecting?

Yours, aye, Confused of the sartorial scarf coast:)
 
But surely marinas are so invasive, sterile and boring and in-yer-face environmentally. We (marina using) boaters are surely quite seperatist from most other tourists visiting the town- by gates and perhaps by something more, well, 'social'.
You ok with all that and what that implies?

Presumably the marina will be charging a heady commercial rate , not so much left then in the kitty to plonk into the towns shops unless one is on a well padded budget- or is that the sort of marine visitor this is aimed at selecting?

Yours, aye, Confused of the sartorial scarf coast:)

All I can suggest is that you visit Tobermory before commenting further.

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I’m saying nothing other than that there are different points of view. A fair resolution of any argument requires consideration of all sides of that argument. Sorry if that point of view offends you.

Ah yes, the perennial ****storm.

Blue_mischief, you may shit in a marina at the drop of a hat, but most of us don't.

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When one party resorts to personal abuse it is often a sign they feel on shaky ground. My posts are infrequent and have nothing to do with a desire to see my name in print.

Don't bother to reply for my benefit as I won't be looking at this thread again.
 
Don't bother to reply for my benefit as I won't be looking at this thread again.

If you can't stand the heat then stay out of the kitchen. You quoted a thread by canoeists who said that the marina was a bad idea because visiting yachtsmen would all flush their heads into the bay. Most of us wouldn't, but you obviously thought the argument had merit. I drew the obvious conclusion.

Your refusal to defend yourself suggests I was right.

- W
 
If you can't stand the heat then stay out of the kitchen. You quoted a thread by canoeists who said that the marina was a bad idea because visiting yachtsmen would all flush their heads into the bay. Most of us wouldn't, but you obviously thought the argument had merit. I drew the obvious conclusion.

Your refusal to defend yourself suggests I was right.

- W
Sorry Webby, I have to say you are totally out of line - again, jumping to conclusions. Blue Mischief at no point even hinted he "dumped" in marina berths - he merely pointed out other peoples perspective on the matter and hence he has nothing to defend.
 
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Sailing tourism in Scotland is worth over £100 million a year. Oban is at the centre of West Coast sailing and currently receives very little of this. Tobermory has done very well out of its short stay transit marina, which also provides a facility for trip boats and cruise ship launches that Oban lacks. The existing foreshore between the two piers is nondescript and grubby.

Of course, it would be better to build a bigger marina in the NE corner of the bay, in front of the cathedral, but major breakwaters would be required and the cost has been estimated at £30 million.

I cannot think of anywhere else in Oban's position - the main town in the centre of a world class sailing area - that does not have a step-ashore facilty for visiting yachts.


- W

Webby I do think your main argument seems to be so Scotland can make more money out of yachty's. Is this such a wise idea?

I guess you have sailed on the south coast? Where as a sailor you are seen as a cash cow? Escaping from marina's can be near impossible? They build trendy & expensive bars/ cafe's that sell bad food over looking the harbour, then open more expensive ones in the town to cater for the rich sailors...

I do think placing it right in front of the town is not the best place. If nothing else the locals and shore based tourists will get really peaved with all the halyard frap, heater exhausts, wind generators etc that marina's tend to bring.

One has to asked has Yarmouth improved now its a marina? Easier more comfortable, etc but better?

Sorry Webby, I have to say you are totally out of line - again, jumping to conclusions. Blue Mischief at no point even hinted he "dumped" in marina berths - he merely pointed out other peoples perspective on the matter and hence he has nothing to defend.

Do not worry he does this, I am just waiting for my slanging for this post.
 
I must admit that the points Quandary makes I thought about and have a certain amount of agreement. I have also wondered about the scenic attraction of the scummy corner of Oban. For that is what it is at high summer bank holidays.

I have crew changed and victualled in Oban many times and it is just a big hassle being along side as it is being anchored or on a mooring. The bay is no more than gap between developments that was never filled in, lets not think it is something special. The view towards other side of the bay is nothing special either and in fact is ruined by the rain of seagull poop, chip wrappers, manky beach, scabby boats and the high possibility of being hassled by a drunk or junkie. Oban is a carbuncle, always has been and always will be, a working town with a convenient access point to the West Coast. If you want a good view of the bay, then Stand on the North Pier or go west a bit. I am not sure that anyone would actually go to this bit for the view, except perhaps when looking for Hughie.

The canoeists park their cars at the long stay car park at the roundabout and paddle off the beach. Sure they may want to come ashore at the scummy corner for chips but the stairs on the North pier will remain or they can use the rest of the bay.

The bay has quite poor shelter on the landward side and I have unfortunately witnessed a few yachts being driven ashore in southerlies and westerlies from the Northern entrance. I once sat out 60kts over at the lifeboat and I would not have liked to be in the bay.

So a small scale transit marina that is tucked in this corner might just be a good thing for passing yachts who require the convenience of Oban and I would welcome that. I would not really want to stay there overnight as it would be noisy and dirty from fumes and dust. However, like a corner shop, it is a convenience I would use. The poop thing is red herring as the marina is only a transit marina. Most people I know will use shore side facilities when available rather than dump their dumps in marinas. Who likes to foul their own nest with smells?

The transit pontoons are fine in that we corner of grimness and address their objective very well, convenience of access to Oban's facilities for transiting yachtsman. I would certainly consider crew changes in Oban instead of the other marinas if they become available.
 
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Tobermory doesn't have a Marina, just some pontoons which seem perfectly in keeping to me. A marina would be an eyesore in Tobermory.

If pontoons and shore side facilities is not a marina, pray tell what the definition of a marina is?

While the facilities in Tobermory are nice, they are also more expensive than any marina on the Clyde. Their mooring on the other hand are good value.

As to Oban, the corner where the proposal is discussing is a manky, unattractive and smelly place. A planning application for use as a landfill site would be an improvement. :D
 
I think the mistake that all of you are making is imagining that most landlubbers prefer a view of a breakwater and rows of boats to one of open water with an island behind.
If you expect to convince the Planners that this project is a good thing for the town you might have to start from a less selfish perspective.
The only argument in favour seems to be that the shore is inclined to be a collecting point for plastic bags (which are removed regularly) and smelly seaweed, but those opposed might ask how a marina will help that.
The economic argument ignores that the town already has a marina, with a busy boatyard and a rudimentary restaurant, all its residents already shop in Oban and there are also the the visitors moorings on the east shore.
Describing the esplanade as scruffy ignores it popularity, try finding a seat on one of the benches on a dry day in summer, people like to sit there and to eat ice cream, chat and look out across the water to the island.
If the arguments in favour of a marina are no stronger those expressed here you might perhaps have been better not emailing the planners?
BTW-if the thing is built I do intend to use it.
 
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I do think a marina improves the view, and the one sighted in oban as planned, will give plenty of "people watching" for the promenaders. I wonder how many people who sail from kererra, shop in oban, I think if I did, I would drive up with my week/ends worth of stores in the car - offload at the pier and take the ferry.
I think having the pontoons will be an asset for the current marina because it should relieve the pressure on the limited water supply, since people can take water at the transit marina.
Toilets/showers means people will request showers from hotels, I am sure this leads to passing trade from yachts.
The west coast is still largely a wild and uninhabited place - you can currently provision at Campbeltown, Tobermory, Mallaig, Portree, Stornoway, Lochinver. Off the top of my head I cant think of any other places with shops/pontoons conveniently close together ( I am sure there are). For such a large cruising area having another option at Oban ( combined with obans transport links) makes the transit marina a good idea.
It not only helps Oban , but supports the other , outer islands since Oban becomes a stepping stone forward for people.
Finally having proper landing facilities in Oban would aid the sea trip /wildlife tour trade, as well as enabling cruise ships to land their passengers in the town.
 
I find it rather intriguing that many of the against arguments state that boats are not interesting, they will spoil the view, no one wants to look at them, they will not attract visitors.

Could one of these naysayers please explain to me in simple terms why:

Non boaty people flock in droves to buy properties built around Marinas in the UK and all over the world. Marina developments command vast premiums yet, often few of the purchasers will have a boat to berth in the marina.

If you wish to visit the catering establishments at Largs Marina, The Chart Room at Kip Marina, Portavadie Marina etc etc you will inevitably be competing for a table with a hoard who arrived by car and have probably never been near a yacht in their lives. The Bosun's Table at Largs used to be a particular favourite of aggressive pensioners most days of the week. The facility on Kerrera is often booked solid by non boaty visitors coming over on the ferry from Oban. It can't possibly be because of the quality of the food and the competitive pricing, can it?
 
'google earth is my friend'.
That, some sunny still photography and a look at the proposal/plans on line leads me to think that, as marinas go, this is quite a minor development.
Tobermorys looks positively quaint in fact.

All I know about marinas is that prices go UP! ( delighted to be proved wrong on this, anyone?).
And often buoys and anchoring get er sidetracked as the real costs of maintain g a marina start to appear year on year.

Though I have worked in the highlands and visited by road just about the whole mainland coast ( as you do) I am not familiar enough with Oban to comment more specifically Webby, but good luck with efforts to help keep it more thriving.

By enclosing this wee corner how is the rubbish and (floating) muck going to go away exactly without paying someone to 'sweep' it I wonder.
 
Tobermory doesn't have a Marina, just some pontoons which seem perfectly in keeping to me. A marina would be an eyesore in Tobermory.

Semantics. The Oban development will be virtually identical.

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