Is leaving the EU a good thing for boating?

[RAI]

Not only for the armada of liveaboards who would have to periodically move on to Turkey and Morocco but also for the vast hoards of the Costa Ghetto inhabitants that no longer would have their 'EU freedom of movement' to buy their villas there to lounge their pensionable years in.

Then there are the expats resident in Europe that suddenly find their work permission on uncertain ground.

 

[BurnitBlue]

For real cruising yachts, the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. Unlimited stay in Europe, Martinique Tahiti etc. Haven't checked the small print about Tahiti or other French Pacific Islands so I could be wrong on that area.

For other yachts that stay in marinas or block the quays in Greece ... who cares? Really.

Edit to replace outway with outweigh. Honest.

 

[Blue5]

We are better off staying in. Dave just needs to explain they will have to accept our terms and get used to it..................

 

[BrianH]

Then there are the expats resident in Europe that suddenly find their work permission on uncertain ground.

Once granted a work permit I think it unlikely it would be rescinded on lack of EU membership grounds. It may well influence new ones being granted.

But I don't really know the answer to that. As far as Europe is concerned I worked in Madrid before the UK and Spain were EU members and then Switzerland, which isn't and not likely to be although still a quasi-member and where I now have naturalization. In both cases getting residence and work permits involved enormous hurdles to successfully cover over a long period. Modern expatriates have it easy in comparison and I suspect the general UK population rarely consider the benefits from not only having a large community market but a larger employment one too. At least for the more highly qualified.

 

[Koeketiene]

Dave just needs to explain they will have to accept our terms and get used to it..................

Good luck & enjoy.

 

[GrahamM376]

I think (hope) that Cameron's position is to keep us within the EC but out of "federal" Europe and much of the Human Rights Act. In which case there shouldn't be any boaty changes. As others have pointed out, if we leave the EC there could be restrictions on berthing boats there and length of stay within the EC. I've not been sailing long enough to know what the position was prior to the Common Market.

 

[NormanS]

Yes there would be a lot of hassle - from from the Europeans but from UKBA. eBorders would come back and we couldn't even sail from Dover to Calais without filing a plan weeks in advance

It may have escaped your notice, but lots of boats cross over to Norway, a non-member of the EU, without any great hassle. Some have even been known to cross the pond.

 

[bedouin]

It may have escaped your notice, but lots of boats cross over to Norway, a non-member of the EU, without any great hassle. Some have even been known to cross the pond.

But not many cross to Norway and back in a weekend - or pop across the pond on a whim

If UK leaves EU then it will be an offence to cross from Dover to Calais for a day without telling UKBA first, especially if we have to do that at least 2 weeks in advance!

 

[CAPTAIN FANTASTIC]

it will be disastrous for the British economy in the long term; after the initial excitement, Britain will face the realisation of how difficult it is to operate alone without the strength of the EU. I accept that the EU project has not been easy, however, extreme decisions and panic it is not a justification.

I don't think casual boaters will suffer, EU may require additional paperwork, but I doubt if there is more than that. Anyway, Cameron is don't daft, this is his tactic to ensure that he wins the next elections; Britain will never leave the EU; we are an integral member; the effort should be on haw to make the EU better, because, if we don't, China will get us (economically); one-by-one country.

 

[Grumpybear]

it will be disastrous for the British economy in the long term; after the initial excitement, Britain will face the realisation of how difficult it is to operate alone without the strength of the EU. I accept that the EU project has not been easy, however, extreme decisions and panic it is not a justification.

I don't think casual boaters will suffer, EU may require additional paperwork, but I doubt if there is more than that. Anyway, Cameron is don't daft, this is his tactic to ensure that he wins the next elections; Britain will never leave the EU; we are an integral member; the effort should be on haw to make the EU better, because, if we don't, China will get us (economically); one-by-one country.

Agreed. If Callmedave plays his cards right (subtly) he can get quite a lot of the niggle and intrusion off our back, with plenty of support from other leaders looking over their shoulders at electorates resentful of the cost of bailing out the euro etc. the long term issue is the original one: sovereignty and the federal superstate, and for that there is no compromise between full integration and final disintegration of the EU. I would not bet on either outcome.

 

[LionsDen]

Cheaper Red Diesel as we would no longer be under EU directives...

Well it was worth a thought - no luck I would hazard a guess as once taxes go up - never come down again.

 

[grumpy_o_g]

But not many cross to Norway and back in a weekend - or pop across the pond on a whim

If UK leaves EU then it will be an offence to cross from Dover to Calais for a day without telling UKBA first, especially if we have to do that at least 2 weeks in advance!

I thought that was what was proposed anyway?

 

[bedouin]

I thought that was what was proposed anyway?

Exactly - it is proposed (but on hold I think) for all trips outside the EU - but if UK leaves EU then it would apply equally to trips to France

 

[Koeketiene]

It may have escaped your notice, but lots of boats cross over to Norway, a non-member of the EU, without any great hassle. Some have even been known to cross the pond.

Norway may not be an EU country, but it IS a Schengen country.
May have something to do with it.

 

[macd]

Fair enough, just going by the BMF definition of RCD which says it governs the use and sale of boats in the European Union. My bad.....or their perhaps their bad !

BMF is right, but only in as much as the RCD does cover use/sale of boats in EU, since the EEA includes all EU countries...plus Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway. But they ought to do better.

BTW, why's the British Motorcycle Federation interested in RCD, anyway?

 

[TimBennet]

Whatever Mr Cameron might achieve in his re-negotiation with the EU, you can bet that there will be no change in the RCD, Human Rights Act or legislation about the shape of fruit and veg, because these were all legislation that was championed from the UK.

In many cases the EU directives simply incorporated British Standards that would already entrenched in our law.

 

[Heckler]

I guess the RCD would disappear up its own ****hole. Form an orderly queue to bring over some nice boats from the USA!

Thats what I was thinking!
Stu

 

[sailorman]

We are British FOR GODS sake

Good luck & enjoy.