Is it possible/sensible to have "100% Confidence" whilst boating?

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This couldn't possible be about September's WNS could it? No way: the person concerned is referred to as 'an esteemed contributor'.
However, having used that expression in relation to what has become known as The Indian Rope Trick perhaps I should explain why.
Absolute 100% confidence in anything is, of course, impossible. If the 7th trump sounds shortly after the 6 O’clock news, none of us will make it safely into our beds tonight.
However, given the starting situation I remain confident that I could achieve the desired goal. I am confident I could connect the bowline ‘twixt boat and pontoon because I would chuck the warp downwind from pontoon to boat rather than upwind from the boat to pontoon. foredeck. If necessary I would employ a light heaving line and then pull the main warp across.
Once the boat was secured bow and stern I would be confident that barring a line break, she would be under total control and unable to go walkabout. I would then be methodical and patient, allowing plenty of time to adjust and if necessary re-rig these lines and deploy fenders. But I am confident that using the principle proposed I could bring her up to the pontoon bow first without damaging her on anything else. The reason I wouldn’t try and drag her up stern first is that I would then be faced with forcing the bow up into the wind to get lined up with the berth. Whereas warping round the corner stern first means I only have to stop it blowing off: a much easier job especially if I re-rig the bow line to the next pontoon up to improve the geometry.
Unfortunately, the space available for WNS doesn’t allow every possible permutation to be discussed and dealt with. But yes, I’m 100% confident that – acts of God aside - using the principle proposed and by adapting to changing circumstances I could achieve the goal. Which is the object of the exercise, isn’t it?
My attachment (sorry) to warping originated when I was a little kid watching Thames lightermen warping barges in and out of the most awkward situations imaginable. They often did it by turning the wind and tide that initially appeared to be against them to their favour. Often they would warp in preference to employing a tug until the trot was assembled and ready to go.
On another thread it was suggested that I might have raggie tendencies. Well, I have an unashamedly raggie past: in my teens and twenties I was a pretty decent dinghy racer. Whenever I wasn’t sailing I could be found in the club’s rescue boat recovering capsized dinghies or collecting and returning keel boats to and from their swinging moorings. I learned a lot through that. Later on I tried big boats and didn’t like them. I’m with the man who described ocean racing as ‘Being wet, cold and bored 95% of the time and wet, cold and frightened for the other 5%’.
Now, those who wish to continue battering away at me in the hope that I’ll eventually keel over and admit I was wrong all along are welcome to do so.
Me, I’m moving on to October’s scenario which could turn out to be equally controversial. Bring it on. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
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I was 93% sure I would provoke a response but now it looks like 99% of readers ignored it.
 
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After an abundance of planning and checking things, I have a cautious optimism.

Thats as good as it gets, I leave the '100%' stuff until after the event, when it's been another lovely day!

Why do we like Boats anyway? I do, but I don't know why.... /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
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I love boats for a great number of reasons, starting with the law

there are no speed cameras, yet,
you don't have to have a licence and pass a test, yet,
you don't have to have insurance, but you're crazy if you don't
there is no compulsory maintenance/safety test, again foolish if you don't check your boat thoroughly
no double yellow lines
no parking meters
no wardens, but we have HM's in their place,
no wheel clamps
no tax disc,.......... yet,
no compulsory seat belt wearing
no compulsory helmet wearing
no roundabouts
no traffic lights, except locking in and out

and I'm sure that will be enough to get someone to point out I'm wrong somewhere with the above list /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

and by the way I'm 100% sure most of the above will be implemented in the not so distant future /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
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As a matter of interest, just how much crew have you, on this imaginary boat. Your obviously not acting as skipper because you have teleported yourself to the pontoon, where a heaving line has metamorphised its self. I think you were watching the lighter men to long, it dont easy apply to HWMO and SWMBO. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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hlb
Teleported? I got ashore via the classic yacht - something I have no problem with personally. Of course, if the owner was onboard I would have asked his permission but the implication in the original scenario is that he isn't.

With my own boat safely secured to his counter I would feel quite happy to do this without dereliction of my duty as skipper: namely supervising the operation.

The heaving line hasn't metamorphised itself. It lives permanently in my lazarette. Do you not carry one? Could be a life saver in a MOB situation.

How many crew? I didn't say, did I, but me and my better half – who is extremely competent and level-headed - would be enough. One to shorten up the bow line, the other to pay out the stern line. When fenders need deploying or rearranging, the operation is paused to a allow for that. That’s the great thing about warping IMHO, you can take things as cautiously as you like. Naturally, if I were single handed, injured, extremely tired or without decent assistance I wouldn’t attempt it. But you could say that about almost anything.

Not only have I done this sort of thing plenty of times, but I have actually thought it all through quite carefully. (It’s a habit of mine). Obviously you wouldn’t choose to go about things this way yourself, but that doesn’t invalidate the principle. As several other people have said, there’s almost always more than one option. And I’ve never, ever said my way is the only way. I do bang on about the first priority in tricky situations being safety because it’s so easy in an emergency to get distracted by the technicalities and fail to see ‘the elephant in the room’ until it’s too late. But I doubt anyone would disagree on that.
There’s a further question about the future of WNS waiting for you on the other thread.
Best wishes
TJ
 
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Maybe I have this wrong but who exactly secures your stern to the cleat of the classic yacht - crew / swmbo?
 
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Thanks for all the detail. I'm a sailor by background too, btw. I agree that you or any competent skipper could warp the boat round as you say, with v high degree of confidence. And, for sure, I have no fundamental problem with your solution from picture 3 onwards, where you warp the boat into its berth

But there an elephant in this room. The WNS was how to get boat into tight berth. There was never a prob spinning it 180deg in the fairway - that could be done under engines anywhere in the fairway, except the bit narrowed by the classic yacht, right? Or it could be done out in the main channel, and the mobo reversed down to your picture 3 position. But - and here's the issue - the ITR is all about spinning the boat 180 deg. It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, and yet you recommend doing it with a weary crew and rising wind.

Imagine a WNS saying "You're leaving your berth in Southampton heading for Cherbourg and you know the destination berth in Cherbourg is tight and has a too-long classic yacht opposite". Then imagine reading a solution that says "Use ITR to exit the berth in Southampton (picture 1&2), then do a separate warping exercise when you get to Cherbourg and warp the boat into the berth (picture 3)". You'd think, "Eh? Picture 3 is fine. But the ITR in pictures 1&2 is 70miles away from the actual problem". Get my drift? That the elephant
 
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Spot on, jfm. Any twin engined mobo can be easily spun on it's engines. Even if the bow has to be swung into a strong wind, the use of rudders, thruster and maybe a bit of revs will get it round without this ridiculous palaver of warping it round. Anyway, as I said previously, lobbing ropes around, especially in a strong wind, could possibly lead to ropes in the water and a fouled prop. My SWMBO is a competent and experienced crew but I wouldn't be '100% confident' that she could lassoo cleats on the pontoon and the classic yacht first time. It's a nonsense
 
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My son Sam was 100% confident until last week when the stern line he had attached came off whilst he was motoring forwards to keep the bow on the pontoon. Frightened the inhabitants of the yacht moored in front of us, just a bit. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
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Having just returned from a few days at St Peters Port, and France, incidentaly our first Channel crossing, with the Sparkes 'Learned Crew'..............I would say I now have 100% more confidence than I ever had before in the boat!

That is not to say 100% confidence real terms though, because as we started the engines at Sparkes I found the GPS was dead (No Fix), and the bow thruster motor was well and truly 'Cooked'!

Oh the joys of boating.

Jas.
 
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Are you sure the motor is cooked? If it's a Sidepower, there's a rubber coupling inside designed to sheer if the prop gets jammed, but they do also just wear out with use. Its a simple self replacement from inside the boat, just undo the four allen bolts, lift off the motor, drop in a new coupling, and replace the motor.

Worth checking before coughing up for an engineer
 
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On mine, Fairline have wired the GPS unit onto the "autopilot" circuit on the main breaker panel, whereas the plotter is wired to the "plotter/radar" circuit. So you have to make sure the a/pilot circuit is turned on as well as the plotter, else the plotter will display "No fix"

Your prob could easily be something else, but just thort I'd mention this!
 
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Thanks gents, however I couldnt be so lucky!

The Sleipner thruster cover was removed ny Targalout, who eplained how the melted lid, and shower of sparkes at the back of the motor evertime we pressed the go button, must indicate a large elememnt of luck that the ruddy thing hadnt caught fire even! By hand the shaft spins, a diver had a look at the actual prop outside because it had just been re antifouled............all to no avail. The solonoid clicks, and thats that! /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

GPS, well I always turn the lot on, and basically it fired up ok then after about 5 mins the signal just bombed out! We tried again about 100 times over the 5 days, and in the end it just fired up saying NO FIX..........sadly I think its the mushroom!

Jas.
 
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I am also 100% certain that bloody boats go wrong when you would least like them too, and that I will be seeking a sensible priced replacement for both current ailments!

Jas.
 
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Ah yes the mushroom. That's the only bit of my kit that has busted. I now have two of them - one in reserve, to fire up if (when) the "main" one busts. Fortunately they're cheap!
 
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jfm et al

Apologies for not replying sooner - I've been away for a few days and subsequently hectically busy.

Regarding spinning the boat around in the channel and backing down to the berth, the original scenario reads:

'...your sterndrive sports cruiser. The boat is always a bit of a handful at low speed as the bow tends to blow off downwind in the slightest zephyr and you don't have a bowthruster'. This accurately describes the handling of some high performance boat I've driven in the past.

I wrote it like that specifically so that the easy solution wasn't available. Otherwise, the 'problem' would be 'no problem'. That aside, I agree your way would work fine. Overall, my intention was to introduce a technique that I've found very useful in the past but that many motor boaters might not consider.

Think this one is now past its sell by date. Agreed?

Best wishes
Tony
 
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