IanPoole2
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Relax - you've already won the lottery of life by being born Eenglish - everyone knows god made man in his image and he is in fact your local village vicar!
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Is it me!
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TheBoatman
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Thanks Guys
You have all made me feel just a little bit better today, to realise that one is not alone is just great!
Does anyone know how we can email this thread to TB and MH, should be a small eye opener for them, not that I believe for one minute that it will make a difference.
I now have to go figure out how I can get my last daughter through Uni without her leaving with a 30 grand debt hanging over her head.
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You have all made me feel just a little bit better today, to realise that one is not alone is just great!
Does anyone know how we can email this thread to TB and MH, should be a small eye opener for them, not that I believe for one minute that it will make a difference.
I now have to go figure out how I can get my last daughter through Uni without her leaving with a 30 grand debt hanging over her head.
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longjohnsilver
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Bolx!
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jhr
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Re: It\'s not just you Boatman
However it may look to you, positive discrimination (i.e. favouring somebody purely because they are from a particular racial/social/sexual etc. group) is as illegal as negative discrimination. However, government bodies - who have a statutory obligation to proactively encourage equal opportunities - often underline that they would welcome applications from ethnic and other minorities as a way of maximising the opportunity available to such people. It doesn't mean that they will get the job instead of a better qualified or experienced person from the "wrong" background.
That's as far as it goes unless there is what's referred to as a "genuine occupational qualification", where there is a requirement for a particular background implicit in a paticular job. For example, it's possible to specify that applicants for the post of Chief Rabbi must be Jewish. More contentiously (p'raps) it's also possible to specify that, for jobs with a certain client base, particularly in areas like social work, the person appointed must be able to empathise, and establish trust with, his/her clientele. So, for somebody working with asylum seekers (puts on tin helmet) it's possible to specify that the job should go to someone from the same ethnic/social background.
At the age of 50 (which I'm approaching at increasingly alarming speed myself) I fear that the main thing mitigating against you in getting a job is, in fact, your age. Fear not, however, because age discrimination in employment is also slated to become illegal in the next couple of years, at which point you can climb aboard the equal opportunities bandwagon too. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif
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However it may look to you, positive discrimination (i.e. favouring somebody purely because they are from a particular racial/social/sexual etc. group) is as illegal as negative discrimination. However, government bodies - who have a statutory obligation to proactively encourage equal opportunities - often underline that they would welcome applications from ethnic and other minorities as a way of maximising the opportunity available to such people. It doesn't mean that they will get the job instead of a better qualified or experienced person from the "wrong" background.
That's as far as it goes unless there is what's referred to as a "genuine occupational qualification", where there is a requirement for a particular background implicit in a paticular job. For example, it's possible to specify that applicants for the post of Chief Rabbi must be Jewish. More contentiously (p'raps) it's also possible to specify that, for jobs with a certain client base, particularly in areas like social work, the person appointed must be able to empathise, and establish trust with, his/her clientele. So, for somebody working with asylum seekers (puts on tin helmet) it's possible to specify that the job should go to someone from the same ethnic/social background.
At the age of 50 (which I'm approaching at increasingly alarming speed myself) I fear that the main thing mitigating against you in getting a job is, in fact, your age. Fear not, however, because age discrimination in employment is also slated to become illegal in the next couple of years, at which point you can climb aboard the equal opportunities bandwagon too. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif
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billmacfarlane
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nicho
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Re: It\'s not just you Boatman
A recent poll showed that around 70% of Brits would like to move overseas. Only 5% wanted to go for the better weather on offer!! We all know the main reasons though for those wanting to go - they are well documented here.
Strange thing is, I'm one of the 30%. I'm retired (as near as damnit) and could live abroad. The trouble is, I still love our country, and cannot see me living permanantly elsewhere.
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A recent poll showed that around 70% of Brits would like to move overseas. Only 5% wanted to go for the better weather on offer!! We all know the main reasons though for those wanting to go - they are well documented here.
Strange thing is, I'm one of the 30%. I'm retired (as near as damnit) and could live abroad. The trouble is, I still love our country, and cannot see me living permanantly elsewhere.
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Magic_Sailor
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Re: It\'s not just you Boatman
JHR
Well, I'm afraid I disagree with just about everything you've said. I do appreciate you're being friendly and all that but I can't help thinking what you say is a bit naive.
The right person for the job is the right person...full stop. Regardless of the racial mix of a community. Otherwise you potentially end up with a load of 2nd grade people running the care trusts (as an example).
I have actually had my contention confirmed by one of the executive directors of a particular group whilst at a social gathering at friends. So I do speak with some authority - not just sour grapes.
You could be right over the age thing as well. I'm getting over this by doing my best to start my own business.
Cheers
Magic
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JHR
Well, I'm afraid I disagree with just about everything you've said. I do appreciate you're being friendly and all that but I can't help thinking what you say is a bit naive.
The right person for the job is the right person...full stop. Regardless of the racial mix of a community. Otherwise you potentially end up with a load of 2nd grade people running the care trusts (as an example).
I have actually had my contention confirmed by one of the executive directors of a particular group whilst at a social gathering at friends. So I do speak with some authority - not just sour grapes.
You could be right over the age thing as well. I'm getting over this by doing my best to start my own business.
Cheers
Magic
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