doug748
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Indeed, my opinion is that it hopes to ape a race boat. Either way, yours is a view a few posters have supported, I doubt they expect to sell a single one for use north of the 45th parallel.
Is it just me or are all modern boats completely horrible ?
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Indeed, my opinion is that it hopes to ape a race boat. Either way, yours is a view a few posters have supported, I doubt they expect to sell a single one for use north of the 45th parallel.
pvb
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But that's my point. It doesn't look anything like it.
Mass manufactured Cruising boats from the likes of Beneteau, Bavaria, Hanse etc simply do not look like, or seem to take any influences from any racing boats. They seem, to me at least, to be plowing an entirely separate farrow, one of large volume for interior comfort.
I'm sorry, but it simply does not wash to claim that contemporary AWB design is influenced by race boats.
is not influenced by this.
The likes of POGO etc definitely have taken inspiration from race boats - the class 40s to be exact. But I think that's also due to sharing the same design goals rather than"make it look like a class 40 to make it sell".
Both class 40s and Pogos are designed to make fast passages off the wind with small crews. It's no massive surprise that they end up looking fairly similar.
These guys were maybe influenced by race boats!
Daydream believer
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Do I see vertical battens ?? -- In mast reefing?? or is that shadow on the sail?
cabin top main sheeting?
Hmmmm
Lovely picture though. Envious!!
flaming
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In what way is that boat influenced by race boats?
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Refueler
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Can I ask a question ?
I'm 64 yrs old and still capable of pushing a boat to its limits ... but TBH - I now prefer a more leisurely sail.
The days of standing with one foot on the cockpit bench - other foot on cockpit sole while on beam ends washing windows are not my style anymore.
Am I alone ?
I'm 64 yrs old and still capable of pushing a boat to its limits ... but TBH - I now prefer a more leisurely sail.
The days of standing with one foot on the cockpit bench - other foot on cockpit sole while on beam ends washing windows are not my style anymore.
Am I alone ?
anoccasionalyachtsman
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Nope, that much tip (with that type of boat) ain't fast either.
Refueler
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Lot of boats I sail on .. we try to maintain relatively upright as healing can in fact increase hull wetted surface ... a lot of traditional designs sail better more upright.
I know some will argue that ... fair enough.
pvb
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Read my post! I didn't say the boat was influenced, I said the guys were maybe influenced.
Daydream believer
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With due respects. The guy to leaward is not looking at the foresail but sems to be doing something with the sheet. It might be the mainsheet, but the mainsheet winches appear to be aft & why is the other crew not on those? The guy upwind could be just sliding around , not actually in control of his own actions. The helm is holding on to the pushpit with one arm & does not look comfortable. I would suggest that that picture indicates that a gust MAY have just hit them & they are not really ready for it. That would explain the excessive heal .May i suggest that a racer would be little better set up.
I might be wrong of course & many have rubbished my opinions on other things
, so lets see how others interprete that picture-- Any experienced racers about.I accept that you did say "influenced" not that they "were" but It is always fun disecting a picture
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Get a catamaran
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flaming
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Refueler
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With due respects. The guy to leaward is not looking at the foresail but sems to be doing something with the sheet. It might be the mainsheet, but the mainsheet winches appear to be aft & why is the other crew not on those? The guy upwind could be just sliding around , not actually in control of his own actions. The helm is holding on to the pushpit with one arm & does not look comfortable. I would suggest that that picture indicates that a gust MAY have just hit them & they are not really ready for it. That would explain the excessive heal .May i suggest that a racer would be little better set up.
I might be wrong of course & many have rubbished my opinions on other things
I accept that you did say "influenced" not that they "were" but It is always fun disecting a picture
Seems to me the guy is holding a led aft halyard or reef line .. trouble there's a small section hidden but appears to be from the deck led lines from mast foot.
I hazard a guess he's just holding that line as the boat 'changes heel angle'
But its all good fun ... but I do like to have a glass and a sarny while I sail ... which this is not going to be easy in !!
pvb
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It's the mainsheet; the mainsheet winches are on the coachroof. There's no reef line on the port side.
Refueler
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Fair enough ... as I said 'seems to be' ... especially that without downloading and zooming in - its hard to see the 'deck end' of that line ..
Baggywrinkle
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Just out of interest, what says the collective forum wisdom about X-Yachts, Beneteau First or J-Boats? ... are they cruisers, racers, or cruiser racers?
anoccasionalyachtsman
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It's way more complicated than that.... this is the text that accompanied the original picture. Watch out for surprising villages. Probably Hill Head in your case.
from Lyckad båt i ny tappning
Boat new premiere sail , as one of the world's first newspapers, Bavaria Cruiser 37 a windy late summer day outside Henån on Orust. The harsh west winds give good pushes and hopes for a decisive test sail.
Bavaria agent Bernt Lindquist is in the notes and despite the wind gusts rolls out the full cross "because it looks so boring on the pictures with torn sail". I can only agree. However, after some really nice half-wind ropes, which give fast pictures in the breezy wind around Nötevik's boats, however, the too large sail surface for the current wind force (villages up to 17 m / s) should punish. When a surprising village strikes and the guests are not alert enough to slam the big shot, the unexpected result is that the rudder loses its grip in the water and the helmsman suffers a huge upset.
The entire control system, including rudder blades, mechanism and pedestals from Danish Jefa, is otherwise well-dimensioned and gives a good feeling, so there is no major reason for normal holiday sailors to be worried about such mishaps. At least not as long as you tear down in time. With both roll mast (optional for SEK 25,000 including roll size seal) and roll mock (standard), all possibilities are given to adjust the sail surface and not to limit the limits as Båtnytt does during tests and photo sessions. It is also the configuration with which nine out of ten Bavaria owners sail. The mast body is also equally long, whether you choose conventional mast or roller mast.
anoccasionalyachtsman
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X's XP range are cruiser racers, XC proper cruise, not sure what to call the others. First and J are cruise/race too. IMHO.
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See #271