XDC
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Some of you are going to hate the latest Rassy 40 
Is it just me or are all modern boats completely horrible ?
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Graham376
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Obviously, there are large and expensive new boats out there going blue water but way out of reach for the majority. I'm talking about boats I see when looking around the yard and marinas at the majority of liveaboards who have done or about to do Atlantic tours or further (not the ones who do one way on the ARC and then ship back) are generally older cheaper boats. At the bottom end of the price scale, there are a few Heavenly twins, Longbows and similar, also quite a lot of steel boats often around 40ft, going very long distances. Higher up the price list of older boats, Hans Chrisians, Ovnis and clones, Oyster 39s, Moody, Westerly, HR, etc.
Concerto
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When I returned to sailing after a 22 year break, I decided that 32 feet was about the optimum size to singlehand with ease and comfort. Looking at the boat shows I was unimpressed by the boats on offer and those in the water confirmed my fear on a windy day. The modern boats with higher freeboard and wide beam and transoms feel as if they float on the water and have a more violent movement. Eventually I decided to spend less and buy an older boat and replace whatever I felt like. I decided on a Fulmar as they are known to be vice free whilst sailing and sit in the water. Some friends have commented on how much more stable it feels in rougher water at anchor than their newer designs, so I am happy to forego all the mod cons of the floating caravans and know I will generally outsail them at a fraction of the cost and depreciation will also be far less over 10 years as well.
The comment about smaller boats getting used more is correct. When my brother moved from a Contest 35 to a Contest 42 he admitted he used it less because moving from the berth to the lock and into the river was more difficult just 2 up, not to mention everything was far tougher to complete simple tasks. For example he had a furling genoa and mainsail, but when removed from the boat they were a 2 man job just to lift them. He never went out for 3 to 4 hour sail and return, everything had to be planned to where they would be going to. On my boat I can move all the sails by myself, I do go out for half day sails and sail the boat a lot more. He may only be 2 years older than me, but he has sold his Contest 42 and bought a 32ft displacement motorboat. I expect he will use that a lot more.
Finally the comment from marina staff is 85% of all boats rarely or never leave the berth in a year. So many of these big new yachts you see suffer from marinaitis, or are treated as floating holiday cottages.
The comment about smaller boats getting used more is correct. When my brother moved from a Contest 35 to a Contest 42 he admitted he used it less because moving from the berth to the lock and into the river was more difficult just 2 up, not to mention everything was far tougher to complete simple tasks. For example he had a furling genoa and mainsail, but when removed from the boat they were a 2 man job just to lift them. He never went out for 3 to 4 hour sail and return, everything had to be planned to where they would be going to. On my boat I can move all the sails by myself, I do go out for half day sails and sail the boat a lot more. He may only be 2 years older than me, but he has sold his Contest 42 and bought a 32ft displacement motorboat. I expect he will use that a lot more.
Finally the comment from marina staff is 85% of all boats rarely or never leave the berth in a year. So many of these big new yachts you see suffer from marinaitis, or are treated as floating holiday cottages.
Laminar Flow
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Agree, boats are moved on average 72 hrs a year. Fact. A
Daydream believer
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I would have said the best boat is the one that you are GOING to own
Refueler
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Or lust after ??
TSB240
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Interesting article about modern boat choices for bluewater.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...BhAB&usg=AOvVaw3_qS_DQSJfL9ltBp0fstxx&cf=1.
Not that I intend to do any bluewater cruising.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...BhAB&usg=AOvVaw3_qS_DQSJfL9ltBp0fstxx&cf=1.
Not that I intend to do any bluewater cruising.
Refueler
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As HLR for CA ... I meet a lot of owners who - forgive me for saying - are usually older and more serious about distance sailing / longer cruising ....
What boats do they have ? Most I meet are in what I term traditional style ... Nicholsons, Moodys, Westerlys, older Jeanneaus, Beneteaus ... more modern 'flat decks' I cannot remember last one ...
Liveaboards as another said - often they look for a more sea-kindly load carrier boat - and that often equates to a long keeler.
As they say - Different folks - Different strokes.
What boats do they have ? Most I meet are in what I term traditional style ... Nicholsons, Moodys, Westerlys, older Jeanneaus, Beneteaus ... more modern 'flat decks' I cannot remember last one ...
Liveaboards as another said - often they look for a more sea-kindly load carrier boat - and that often equates to a long keeler.
As they say - Different folks - Different strokes.
coopec
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- So ugly I would be embarrassed to charter. Beneteau Oceanis 35
- Is it just me, or is every Newick ever built as ugly as sin?
- People Are Saying This New Mega Sailing Yacht is the Ugliest Vessel Ever Built
pvb
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Am I alone in being bewildered by this post? (As I am by most of coopec's contributions).
coopec
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Thanks PVB!! (I take that as a compliment coming from someone like you!)?
My favorite yacht is a Hans Christian but how many would agree? As they say "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder"
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goeasy123
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The new fat arsed HR 40 has a more living space, a dishwasher and washing machine on top of all the stuff you have to cram into an older skinny arsed HR 40.
Refueler
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Always liked the HR 42/43 ......
Trying to think of the old name of the boat that became the Rassy ... I met a guy in Lymington marina who was preparing one for a circumnavigation. When walking along the pontoon ... I was interested in it and recognised it as a Rassy ... and that he had twin headsails but only one was electric furling.
Sat having a beer chatting to the owner ... very pleasant ... beautiful boat. He was the one who let me into the info that later builds became HR boats.
Also that believed in caution ... he only had one headsail as furling - especially as it was electric just in case ... meant he still had manual means for the other sail. Seemed sensible ... personally I think I would have had both as hanked ...
Stemar
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There's an old saying that the amount of fun to be had is inversely proportional to the size of your boat.
I have a 24 footer and I can take her out any time I want to. No need to organise crew, planning for a few days in the Solent is no more than a glance at the tides and weather; just turn up and go. OK, blowing up the dinghy and getting out to the mooring's a bit of a faff, but not really a big deal. My friend has a 39 footer with huge freeboard. He's in a marina, so no faffing with a dinghy, but he has to lock out. That's just about doable single handed, but I wouldn't want to park that thing solo in any but perfect conditions. As a result, his sailing has depended on others to crew for him and I doubt he's used his boat 1/10th as much, plus he has to be a lot more careful about anchoring spots. As long as I'm going to sit level and will float when it's time to go, I can park anywhere. He's got 2m of skinny fin to worry about.
I saw the review of the HR40. on Youtube. Nice boat, and I'll bet she goes a bit, but not for me. Comfy sailing for adventurous marina hopping and blue water - I hope that shape doesn't mean they've thrown away the seakeeping qualities that gave an HR an automatic place on anyone's blue water shortlist.
I have a 24 footer and I can take her out any time I want to. No need to organise crew, planning for a few days in the Solent is no more than a glance at the tides and weather; just turn up and go. OK, blowing up the dinghy and getting out to the mooring's a bit of a faff, but not really a big deal. My friend has a 39 footer with huge freeboard. He's in a marina, so no faffing with a dinghy, but he has to lock out. That's just about doable single handed, but I wouldn't want to park that thing solo in any but perfect conditions. As a result, his sailing has depended on others to crew for him and I doubt he's used his boat 1/10th as much, plus he has to be a lot more careful about anchoring spots. As long as I'm going to sit level and will float when it's time to go, I can park anywhere. He's got 2m of skinny fin to worry about.
I saw the review of the HR40. on Youtube. Nice boat, and I'll bet she goes a bit, but not for me. Comfy sailing for adventurous marina hopping and blue water - I hope that shape doesn't mean they've thrown away the seakeeping qualities that gave an HR an automatic place on anyone's blue water shortlist.
pvb
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It's a very impressive boat, and I'd love one. But rather out of my budget I'm afraid! Intriguing that HR turned the engine round to get space for a generator.
Bajansailor
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Refueler, I think the Hallberg Rassys were called Rasmus previously - the old 35 was also built in the UK as the Nab 35. Here is a link to one for sale.
1970 Hallberg-Rassy Nab 35 Sail New and Used Boats for Sale -
Coopec, are you referring to the trimarans designed by Dick Newick? If so, then it must be just you (and maybe some others), as I think they are beautiful.
And your last comment about the ugly sailing mega yacht - is this the 'Sailing Yacht A'?
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:3598603/vessel:SAILING YACHT A
It seems rather strange that Marinetraffic has not heard from her since October.
1970 Hallberg-Rassy Nab 35 Sail New and Used Boats for Sale -
Coopec, are you referring to the trimarans designed by Dick Newick? If so, then it must be just you (and maybe some others), as I think they are beautiful.
And your last comment about the ugly sailing mega yacht - is this the 'Sailing Yacht A'?
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:3598603/vessel:SAILING YACHT A
It seems rather strange that Marinetraffic has not heard from her since October.
Refueler
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Guy who changed boat from a Snap 24 to a Jeanneau 30 odd ... moved from a mooring in Langstone Hbr to Port Solent ... more in keeping with the new boat he reckoned !!
Having completed first year in PS - he left vowing never to return there. He moved to another marina WITHOUT a lock.
Why ? He would call up and be given a number .. that was his queue position for the lock. Because of number of boats wanting to lock in / out - it was not unusual on busy days - he would NOT get out .. or IN ... if he couldn't get in - he had to wait on the outer pontoon.
I have no idea if true or not - but that was what he told me the reason for changing to another marina was.
Having completed first year in PS - he left vowing never to return there. He moved to another marina WITHOUT a lock.
Why ? He would call up and be given a number .. that was his queue position for the lock. Because of number of boats wanting to lock in / out - it was not unusual on busy days - he would NOT get out .. or IN ... if he couldn't get in - he had to wait on the outer pontoon.
I have no idea if true or not - but that was what he told me the reason for changing to another marina was.
Refueler
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It was quite a while ago ... and I cannot recall the name he said ... but a stunning boat !
pvb
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Rasmus was just the name of one of the models, first built by Rassy in mahogany, subsequently series-built in GRP. The "Hallberg-Rassy" name came about in 1972 when Christoph Rassy bought Harry Hallberg's business. As the Hallberg brand was well-known, he added it to his own brand name, creating Hallberg-Rassy.
ashtead
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Interesting article on an outbound in recent sailing mag . Thoughts. .?