Is global warming ruining your sailing?

The story that everything is cyclical is true. Even during the last ice age there were long periods of warmer weather, the earth is a lot better off now than it was 3.5 billion years ago, serious acid rain (H2SO4) and co2 emissions then!
 
Any one tell me what happened to THE ICE AGE that the so called experts were forecasting 40 years ago. Changed jobs I reckon and are now getting big dollars pushing Global Warming.
 
All this global warming crap is really getting on my tits.

It seems that the world isn't happy if it's not going from one global crisis to another.
There's always been climate change - many times in the millions/billions of years of Earth's history. But all of a sudden it's our fault?

And, of course, it will cost millions and billions of our money to resolve it.


Any-one remember Y2K?
Civilisation as we knew it was going to end, planes would fall out of the sky, no more electricity....
Lots of £££ spent later, what happened??? F All!
What a damp squib that was.


Global warming is most likely more of the same.
 
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Any-one remember Y2K?
Civilisation as we knew it was going to end, planes would fall out of the sky, no more electricity....
Lots of £££ spent later, what happened??? F All!

[/ QUOTE ] It is amazing to hear this stuff repeated yet again. If we had spent billions in order to avoid Y2K problems and then they had occurred that would have been money wasted. All you are saying is that we spent billions to avoid problems and, goodness gracious me – it worked! We spend huge sums on injecting large numbers of people against smallpox. They didn’t catch it. According to your logic the money was wasted!
 
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Global warming there may be but's it's nothing to do with my car or yours or anything man's done.


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How do you know this?

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Because I told him.
 
Then you both have

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Global warming there may be but's it's nothing to do with my car or yours or anything man's done.


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How do you know this?

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Because I told him.

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A remarkable capacity to ignore the evidence.
 
Leaving aside the warming/changing debate I have found that the weather patterns have changed on Windymere.
Always a place for flukey winds it has become more prone to windless conditions alternating with very blustery conditions.
This has altered our enjoyment of a little 18 foot sail boat to the extent that we've sold it and bought a small motor boat.

Because of our business all our sailing jaunts happen between mid-day and 6 o'clock. 4 years ago this meant we could set off for a decent sail up to the the top of the lake and back.
Last year we never managed to get half that far and suffered lots of becalmed moments. On other days it was too blustery to set off (Mrs Lakesailor prefers more level sailing)
In fact I had more use single-handed in the winter when, apart from the cold, the winds were much more useful. Even then, the Frostbite series had a lot of becalmed races and cancelled some because of wild conditions.

The motor boat has meant we are not dependant on the nature of the wind and can actually plan where to go for a picnic or loll, at anchor.
I'm building a small saily boat to use when the conditions suit. Judging by the number of larger yachts on the lake that never get one or both of their sails out I'm not the only one who is finding it a bit frustrating.
 
You've lost me Dude! Money spent on Y2K, which never was a problem, was wasted. Money spent helping to defeat smallpox, which definitelty was a problem, was well spent.
 
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With regards to Y2K:

People, companies, governments having spent millions were/billions were fine.
So were those who didn't spend a penny.

[/ QUOTE ]Neither statement is true. There were no disasters so there was no publicity. However there were many minor incidents - some of which could have been unpleasant but money invested in preventative measures worked. I was involved in just two – one bank and one police force. Both experienced Y2K failures but not serious because of the forward planning.
 
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You've lost me Dude! Money spent on Y2K, which never was a problem, was wasted. Money spent helping to defeat smallpox, which definitelty was a problem, was well spent.

[/ QUOTE ]Y2K wasn't a problem because the money was spent - it would have been a problem. I spent some considerable time in Y2K simulations - real systems but with the date pushed forward. I saw many failures that could have been catastrophic if they had happened outside the lab. The problems were fixed before the real Y2K so nothing much happened in the real event. The dangers were avoided but were real.
 
Seems that in the end people will believe what they want to believe, regardless of the evidence.

And I'm sure both sides of this argument will think the above statement doesn't apply to them, but rather to the other side...

It all reminds me of the days (nay, decades!) that folk argued about the hazards of smoking... (cue second heated debate...!)
 
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What I was asking is what the subjective experience of boaters was here. I get the impression there's more storms about, and we in particular are very sensitive to that kind of stuff.

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I've been sailing all coasts of Scotland regularly for just on fifty years, and I have all the log books.
In my experience and records the frequency and severity of summer storms has been increasing decade on decade.
In the Outer Hebrides this June we found it 'windy for March', with more days hanging on to two anchors than ever before.
I have also climbed and tramped the high hills in winter over the same period, and noticed the decline in snow/ice cover and duration, decade on decade.
I have no doubt at all that our climate has become steadily more stormy in summer and milder in winter over that period.
By the time the human race in general is sufficiently convinced of its own responsibility and is prepared to drastically curtail its damaging activities it will be far too late to save the planet as we know it.
We are steadily commiting our own genocide: highly intelligent, technically accomplished but self-indulgent fools that we are!
 
No jump in logic: the basic science is there to be examined and evaluated. It has been rubbished by some pseudo-scientific commentators and crap TV programmes (riveting entertainment for the gullible, but that's what benefits the ratings!)
But the evidence is there: the earth has had widely differing climates and many periods of climate change, but they happened over tens or hundreds of thousands of years. What is unprecedented is the RATE of change during the time the human race has industrialised and expanded and polluted on a global scale: all inside three centuries and at its worst now.
Enough said: my granny used to tell me ''there's none so blind as those who don't want to see.'
I'm going back to sailing!
 
"It has been rubbished by some pseudo-scientific commentators and crap TV programmes"

As Isaac Asimov said "Buried within every pseudo-science is a security blanket, a thumb to suck, a skirt to hang on to."

Do the thumb-suckers here think we're comfortably within the bounds of what we can pump into our planet's atmosphere and get away with it? No way. There's not nearly as much air around us as you might think. For instance, how high can you go up before it's difficult to breathe? As any diver will tell you, go down 10 metres and you will have doubled the pressure. So that 10 metres of water which is not a lot is as much bulk as the total amount of air above your head. Beyond that it's a vacuum. That's not a lot.
 
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For instance, how high can you go up before it's difficult to breathe? As any diver will tell you, go down 10 metres and you will have doubled the pressure. So that 10 metres of water which is not a lot is as much bulk as the total amount of air above your head. Beyond that it's a vacuum. That's not a lot.

[/ QUOTE ]Yes but water is a bit denser than air.

Despite what everybody comes out with, there is no proof than man made CO2 is causing global warming. It's a hypothesis supported by some dodgy statistics, and yes, there was a predication not so long ago that there was an ice age on the way.
Fundamentally no one is going to convince me that a fraction of a fraction of a percent of CO2 in the atmosphere is going to make one jot of difference to the worldwide climate. Atmospheric CO2 is 30 parts per million at this time, of which 97% is natural, how on earth is that going to make any difference at all, it's insignificant by any measure, there will be no significant physical effect at all. It's on a par with homeopathic concentrations of medicine.
I think it's time people got a grip and stopped listening to the propaganda being spouted by the politicians, it's a giant con trick, don't fall for it.
 
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