ChasB
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Bit of a straw poll this. I'm just wondering if the recent changes in weather patterns, like more storms around, has really affected the available opportunities to sail in comfort and safety.
Is global warming ruining your sailing?
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flaming
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Not really, just made flying the kite more fun!
prescott56
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this year definetly, was heading to the med june onwards, SWMBO told me on wednesday after 2 weeks in cherbourg 3 days in Alderney and 2 weeks in Guernsey enuff is enuff, and we are doing the canals.
At least no worries about wind and tide.
regards
Roy
At least no worries about wind and tide.
regards
Roy
savageseadog
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Global warming there may be but's it's nothing to do with my car or yours or anything man's done.
I don't think this weather is greatly different to anything that's gone before. Having said that there's been 2 tornadoes round here (Cheshire) the last couple of months but let's face it there are far better communications than there were. People have digital cameras mobile phones and there's the internet for spreding the news round. I remember about 25 years ago travelling across the M62 and seeing what looked like a tornado just like the ones we used see in Kansas on the TV at the time. We had a laugh about it and dismissed it as a cloud formation, I realise now it was a tornado. The govenment and media has been instrumental in whipping up a huge hyteria over this.
I don't think this weather is greatly different to anything that's gone before. Having said that there's been 2 tornadoes round here (Cheshire) the last couple of months but let's face it there are far better communications than there were. People have digital cameras mobile phones and there's the internet for spreding the news round. I remember about 25 years ago travelling across the M62 and seeing what looked like a tornado just like the ones we used see in Kansas on the TV at the time. We had a laugh about it and dismissed it as a cloud formation, I realise now it was a tornado. The govenment and media has been instrumental in whipping up a huge hyteria over this.
caol
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Global warming there may be but's it's nothing to do with my car or yours or anything man's done.
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How do you know this?
Global warming there may be but's it's nothing to do with my car or yours or anything man's done.
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How do you know this?
Andrew_Fanner
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Last summer's claim:
"Global warming is causing a drought"
This summer's claim:
"Global warming is causing all this rain"
Anyone else wonder at the inconsistency revealed here?
"Global warming is causing a drought"
This summer's claim:
"Global warming is causing all this rain"
Anyone else wonder at the inconsistency revealed here?
Pye_End
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The claim has always been that global warming will produce more extremes in weather.
Whilst I can understand the position that somebody says that there in insufficient evidence that man is responsible for any global warming, I find it hard to understand somebody who says that man is definately not responsible, as this also proof, which has not been made.
Whilst I can understand the position that somebody says that there in insufficient evidence that man is responsible for any global warming, I find it hard to understand somebody who says that man is definately not responsible, as this also proof, which has not been made.
raquet
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[ QUOTE ]
Last summer's claim:
"Global warming is causing a drought"
This summer's claim:
"Global warming is causing all this rain"
Anyone else wonder at the inconsistency revealed here?
[/ QUOTE ]Nope. It is entirely consistent as the effect of global warming will be to increase extremes. Droughts and floods are both extremes.
Too slow! Pye End beat me too it.
Last summer's claim:
"Global warming is causing a drought"
This summer's claim:
"Global warming is causing all this rain"
Anyone else wonder at the inconsistency revealed here?
[/ QUOTE ]Nope. It is entirely consistent as the effect of global warming will be to increase extremes. Droughts and floods are both extremes.
Too slow! Pye End beat me too it.
DaveS
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I'm not sure that it is a real inconsistency. Global warming implies both a higher mean air temperature - giving an increased likelihood of droughts, and more energy in the atmosphere - giving an increased likelihood of wind and rain. Which you experience at any time and place depends on weather, not climate.
The real problem is the media's obsession for reducing any topic, no matter how complex, into overly simplistic statements. When you do this it's no surprise that some of these statements are then found to be in conflict. I personnally believe that this is a major cause of the general public's mistrust of anything attributed to any "expert": everything's all dumbed down so much as to make it very difficult for anyone without personal expertise in the field to reach an informed view.
I understand (but can't actually prove) that most "media" people have an arts degree background, which may just have some bearing on their inability to themselves understand, let alone explain to others, anything remotely technical.
The real problem is the media's obsession for reducing any topic, no matter how complex, into overly simplistic statements. When you do this it's no surprise that some of these statements are then found to be in conflict. I personnally believe that this is a major cause of the general public's mistrust of anything attributed to any "expert": everything's all dumbed down so much as to make it very difficult for anyone without personal expertise in the field to reach an informed view.
I understand (but can't actually prove) that most "media" people have an arts degree background, which may just have some bearing on their inability to themselves understand, let alone explain to others, anything remotely technical.
Porthandbuoy
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Stop calling it Global Warming; the term is Climate Change (albeit things are getting a bit warmer, on average, and we may, or may not, be influencing it).
Climate change checklist:
House built on a hill: check.
House >50' above sea level: check.
House capable of withstanding a hurricane: check.
Have a boat that floats if all the above fail: hmm, maybe next year.
Climate change checklist:
House built on a hill: check.
House >50' above sea level: check.
House capable of withstanding a hurricane: check.
Have a boat that floats if all the above fail: hmm, maybe next year.
Sans Bateau
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[ QUOTE ]
Last summer's claim:
"Global warming is causing a drought"
This summer's claim:
"Global warming is causing all this rain"
Anyone else wonder at the inconsistency revealed here?
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Here in Sussex, we are waiting for the annual hosepipe ban!
Whatever the weather! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Last summer's claim:
"Global warming is causing a drought"
This summer's claim:
"Global warming is causing all this rain"
Anyone else wonder at the inconsistency revealed here?
[/ QUOTE ]
Here in Sussex, we are waiting for the annual hosepipe ban!
Whatever the weather! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
ChasB
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Oh dear, I wasn't meaning to start a debate on whether it's actually happening. (Personally I think the next generation is doomed and no amount of recycling newspapers and plastic bags will offset the fact that every month a new electricity generating plant is built in China, while a chunk of rain forest the size of Wales disappears. The world's economy is committed to growth. No one really talks about changing that. And how realistically could they? We're screwed.) But let's avoid that.
What I was asking is what the subjective experience of boaters was here. I get the impression there's more storms about, and we in particular are very sensitive to that kind of stuff.
What I was asking is what the subjective experience of boaters was here. I get the impression there's more storms about, and we in particular are very sensitive to that kind of stuff.
pyrojames
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The crappy weather is ruining my sailing (that and selling the boat). Whether you can claim it is global warming is a whole different kettle of fish.
Pye_End
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Yes, but it is a bit like a match to the touchpaper, bit like mentioning anchors.
Perhaps get both of them done in one go and ask 'what anchors would best be deployed during times of man made climate change' and get it all over and done with (till the next time of course)!
To answer your question - not a lot so far. I don't get to go out much during term time as my wife works as a teacher, including all day Saturday, leaving me with 3 children to amuse.
Once the summer holidays start - now that will be a different matter....
Mind you, it was weather like this that persuaded me to change to a long keel boat many years ago.
Perhaps get both of them done in one go and ask 'what anchors would best be deployed during times of man made climate change' and get it all over and done with (till the next time of course)!
To answer your question - not a lot so far. I don't get to go out much during term time as my wife works as a teacher, including all day Saturday, leaving me with 3 children to amuse.
Once the summer holidays start - now that will be a different matter....
Mind you, it was weather like this that persuaded me to change to a long keel boat many years ago.
Blueboatman
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Well i can remember any number of months of May,June,july,August right back to seasicky childhood when the 'weather' drastically curtailed whole sailing holidays in the uk. By the law of averages there will probably be some really nice settled sailing weather at some point,just monitor the Azores high and stay flexible ?
Twister_Ken
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It's also a question of perception. yes, the sailing season looks grim seen from here. But, I'll bet you can remember any number of Wimbeldons that have struggled because of rain.
tobble
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Sorry ChasB to continue the hijacking of your thread...
I do hesitate to mention it, but it seems to me that many people have taken "The great Climate Change Swindle" at face value and not fully acknowledged the arguments against it. I mention this because it has been my perception that opposition to policy on reducing climate change has increaced a lot since it was broadcast.
Quite apart from all the scientists who report having been misquoted in it, a central argument is entirely neglected by it; that is when you burn anything, it releases HEAT as well as CO2 into tha atmosphere, which goes a long way to rebuffing the anti-man-made arguments they present, IMHO...
As far as my experience of the change goes, I have not been boating long enough to express a valid opinion, but I am aware that extremes of climate are more and more regular. Like Yorkshire at the moment
I do hesitate to mention it, but it seems to me that many people have taken "The great Climate Change Swindle" at face value and not fully acknowledged the arguments against it. I mention this because it has been my perception that opposition to policy on reducing climate change has increaced a lot since it was broadcast.
Quite apart from all the scientists who report having been misquoted in it, a central argument is entirely neglected by it; that is when you burn anything, it releases HEAT as well as CO2 into tha atmosphere, which goes a long way to rebuffing the anti-man-made arguments they present, IMHO...
As far as my experience of the change goes, I have not been boating long enough to express a valid opinion, but I am aware that extremes of climate are more and more regular. Like Yorkshire at the moment
fireball
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I understand (but can't actually prove) that most "media" people have an arts degree background, which may just have some bearing on their inability to themselves understand, let alone explain to others, anything remotely technical.
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The inference that Arts degree graduates don't understand technical things is a little bit broadbrush isn't it? I have an Arts degree yet quite happily strip and rebuild electrical, electronic and mechanical devices.
Mind you, I had an easy time doing the degree!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I understand (but can't actually prove) that most "media" people have an arts degree background, which may just have some bearing on their inability to themselves understand, let alone explain to others, anything remotely technical.
[/ QUOTE ]
The inference that Arts degree graduates don't understand technical things is a little bit broadbrush isn't it? I have an Arts degree yet quite happily strip and rebuild electrical, electronic and mechanical devices.
Mind you, I had an easy time doing the degree!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
whipper_snapper
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The inference that Arts degree graduates don't understand technical things is a little bit broadbrush isn't it? I have an Arts degree yet quite happily strip and rebuild electrical, electronic and mechanical devices.
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Possibly. But it is obvious that most media types have a very very poor grasp of science. I read an article on the BBC web site yesterday that talked of low leukocyte levels and then added helpfully that leukocyte was a chemical associated with disease! In fact leukocytes are white blood cells!
Just look at any article on a sailing incident - how reliable is the reporting ?
But journalists are capable of integrating multiple complex sets of data and synthesising a sensible article on climate change?! Gizzabreak!
The inference that Arts degree graduates don't understand technical things is a little bit broadbrush isn't it? I have an Arts degree yet quite happily strip and rebuild electrical, electronic and mechanical devices.
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Possibly. But it is obvious that most media types have a very very poor grasp of science. I read an article on the BBC web site yesterday that talked of low leukocyte levels and then added helpfully that leukocyte was a chemical associated with disease! In fact leukocytes are white blood cells!
Just look at any article on a sailing incident - how reliable is the reporting ?
But journalists are capable of integrating multiple complex sets of data and synthesising a sensible article on climate change?! Gizzabreak!
Andrew_Fanner
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OK, not ruining my boating but making it damn hard to sell the previous boat:-(