International Wood skin

[Severnman]

Anyone tried this product, comments appreciated.

 

[VicS]

It's a new product isn't it?.

If so there wont be much that can be said just yet unless anyone has done accelerated laboratory testing.

Use it and lets us know in 5 years time if it's any good.
With luck I have enough Cetol Marine to last until then!

 

[northwind]

I'd understood that it was a brand re-org, and will basically be cetol marine but under the international banner, as the parent coompany owns both brands.

 

[Pye_End]

I'd understood that it was a brand re-org, and will basically be cetol marine but under the international banner, as the parent coompany owns both brands.

This is what I was told by International at the LIBS this week.

 

[VicS]

I note that Woodskin is described as "microporous".
I dont recall Cetol Marine being so described.
There is no such description on the tin.

Hopefully Woodskin is the same or something even better.

 

[alanparmenter]

International Woodskin

We have been selling a lot of this lately and feedback so far has been positive - apparantly very similar to the natural version of Sikkens Cetol.

Our link below has a link to International's spec sheet.

http://www.bosunslockerchandlery.co.uk/4914/International-Woodskin.html

As soon as I personally use some I will post again with feedback.

Hope this helps.

 

[Demara]

International woodskin

The technical leaflet for this material only gives an overcoating time of 24 hours at 73 degrees Farenheit. Most spring fitting out is done at much lower temperatures and I wonder how the material will cure in these circumstances.
I found that Cetol marine (natural) would sometimes take four days or more to harden off in cool conditions and even then remain a little surface tacky for a long time.
Has anyone used this yet over Cetol covered teak?

 

[Otter]

It's amazing stuff! We have used it on exterior teak and interior ply. The interior wood benefitted from having three coats, it has a mid teak colouring and leaves a soft satin sheen rather than a hard shine which we wanted to avoid. Exterior teak seemed to need only one coat but when we next get some warm dry weather we'll give it another couple of coats. The coverage is superb, drying time is a little slow, even inside. Overall it is exactly what we needed and the main benefit to us is the end of endless teak oiling outside with none of the drawbacks of varnishing. I don't know what they make it from but it's damn good stuff.

 

[doug748]

I have used Cetol Novatech for many years, I now have another can of similar stuff the name of which I can't remember. However it is a similar product by the same gang, I understand all of these stains were developed for the treatment of trendy wood claddings on fashionable new builds, in the latter part of the last century. As far as I am aware they are all described as microporous and many will suspect they are basically the same product.
I have never used, or even seen, the discontinued marine version but I can confirm that the standard issue works very well on a boat. I think I pay about £14 per litre ish; if the new Woodskin is much more expensive, this alternative works well.

PS
I think the shade to go for is Light Pine, it tends to bring teak up to a fairly natural, oiled like, colour.

 

[oldbilbo]

I think the shade to go for is Light Pine, it tends to bring teak up to a fairly natural, oiled like, colour.

Sounds good to me. Now all I need is some teak....

 

[Otter]

I have used Cetol Novatech for many years, I now have another can of similar stuff the name of which I can't remember. However it is a similar product by the same gang.

Hi Doug, can you post or pm the name of the product you use, it's a quarter of the price of Woodskin - I'm prepared to give it a shot if it works as well!

 

[Javelin]

We use Skipper's line coatings for our restorations and general repairs.

We've run a few tests with "Wood Skin" but the drying time is a problem for a yard and accelerating it with heat lamps didn't go well.
Will probably have another go later in the year once the ambient temp is up a bit.

 

[doug748]

Hi Doug, can you post or pm the name of the product you use, it's a quarter of the price of Woodskin - I'm prepared to give it a shot if it works as well!

Yes, the original stuff was Cetol Novatech. You could probably still get it, I used it from about 2003 (before the days of the badged up marine product) and it has just run out. Very good stuff.
I have just bought a new tin of - Sikkins Cetol Filter 7 plus - Pine. I went for it because it was available in a local store. I have not used it on the boat yet, but have applied it to window frames and it seems very similar to the other stuff.
Sorry to say I gave you the wrong price, it was a few pennies over £20 for the litre.
PS
Thinking it over, if you give me a few days, I will do a bit of proper marine woodwork and see if the drying and sheen are the same from my new tin.

 

[VicS]

Sikkens Cetol "Novatech" and "Novatop" are still available

 

[alahol2]

Been using Cetol Filter 7 for the last 10+ years and it is superb. It has more anti-UV stuff than the Novatop etc. 2 or 3 coats gives a soft sheen finish then one coat a year to keep it going. Only real problem is that it is quite soft so no good for floors or where rope may rub. Very easy to touch up though and doesn't seem to care about the temperature when you apply it.

 

[doug748]

I have done some teak with Novatech and Filter 7.
Putting a dab of each on glass reveals that the Novatech takes on a very clear tint and the Filter 7 has a muddy colour.
In use, they brush in a similar manner and have dried in the same time. The Novatech has more gloss and a lighter colour, but the colour difference is marginal.
Given that alahol2 has spoken up for Filter 7, I would buy either one. If there was a choice it might be between the brighter Novatech and the apparently more robust Filter 7. Given that I have been happy with the Novatech I might choose that next time.........which will be about 2020 at my present rate of use.

 

[Demara]

Thanks Doug your test confirms what I was thinking about the transparency of Cetol and Novatech.
How did you find the drying times in the cooler conditions of February/March in the boatyard. I have used Marine Cetol but it takes days and days to lose its tackiness even undercover and in the warm.

 

[alahol2]

How did you find the drying times in the cooler conditions of February/March in the boatyard. I have used Marine Cetol but it takes days and days to lose its tackiness even undercover and in the warm.

I did my handrails and tiller early last week when it was about 3 - 5 degC and a bit humid. Done about midday it was certainly dry by the next morning.

 

[doug748]

Thanks Doug your test confirms what I was thinking about the transparency of Cetol and Novatech.
How did you find the drying times in the cooler conditions of February/March in the boatyard. I have used Marine Cetol but it takes days and days to lose its tackiness even undercover and in the warm.

With rain and showers forecast, I confess I did a test piece in the shed. I have found that rain will wash the stuff away, so is worth avoiding.
As per alahol2, they dried overnight.

 

[vyv_cox]

I realise I am reviving this old thread but I need more information. I used the product on the mast, gaff and boom of the motorsailer and found it to be superb - far easier to apply than traditional varnish and a beautiful finish. I was so impressed that I am now going to replace the plywood cockpit locker lids and give them the same treatment. However, the old ones have suffered water penetration into the end grain of the plywood, so I wonder if there is some additional treatment over and above the Woodskin that would offer additional protection?

Thanks for any advice you can offer.