In what circumstances should sail give way to power ?

[fireball]

Jeeze ...

Do you seriously consider that your MC30 (which I assume to be 30') is any less manouverable than my 30' Jeanneau?

 

[l'escargot]

I think your experience still relies on rule 9 having the full stop in the wrong place.

 

[Major Catastrophe]

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I posted on schultleberks yesterday about a Yacht that had hit me while I was mored.

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Daka, best troll for years! Well done.

 

[DAKA]

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I posted on schultleberks yesterday about a Yacht that had hit me while I was mored.

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Daka, best troll for years! Well done.

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I really dont understand the term troll ?

I hadnt intend one......I dont think.

The events were true 100%

crash one in bembridge

incident 2 Emsworth channel (chichester, no doubt it is a narrow channel even fireball admitted that ).


so was I wrong to add what i see as a little humour ?

Is a troll sometimes acceptable ?

I always enjoy your posts and I am keen to learn if your 'troll allegation' was meant as a compliment or if you think i was out of order ?


I have to admit I have had a good few laughs and you should have seen the posts I decided not to send /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif


If you ever think I go OTT please send me a pm.

cheers
Pete

 

[Major Catastrophe]

No, it was a tongue in the cheek compliment.

Now you've got the raggies arguing amongst themselves - in the MOBO forum, which is an achievement - with a few MOBOers throwing occasional fuel onto the fire to keep them well frothed up.

But the funniest thing is that most of them have missed the fact that you were berthed on pontoon at the time of your collision.

I think we can put your post down to an inadvertent troll and all we need now is a good LakeSailoring to put the icing on the cake!

 

[DAKA]

Thanks /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

I think /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif



What this thread has established is that the sail users have never really bothered to read the 'rules of engagement' before today /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

As their boats are less manoeuvrable there is a good case for compulsory licencing, or at least a 5 minute test after reading the Harbour guide.
The current situation where they pay a couple of quid and charge about expecting everyone to shift is ridiculous and relies solely on the gentlemanly conduct of the more safety conscious power boat owner.

 

[l'escargot]

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Thanks /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

I think /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif



What this thread has established is that the sail users have never really bothered to read the 'rules of engagement' before today /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

As their boats are less manoeuvrable there is a good case for compulsory licencing, or at least a 5 minute test after reading the Harbour guide.
The current situation where they pay a couple of quid and charge about expecting everyone to shift is ridiculous and relies solely on the gentlemanly conduct of the more safety conscious power boat owner.

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I think that post should be recorded along with other DAKA classics such as:

"The collision regs have become little more than a gentleman's guide."

"As mobos dont zig or zag it would be prudent for yachts to zig and zag away first because they know exactly where the mobo is going."

"I can wam up to you at 20 knot's. Stick the brakes on 50 ft away and stop dead. But you dont know that, so must take action long before me. It's simple. Not rocket science. So shift!"

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[DAKA]

Thank you for reminding me of that one, I think the first one may have been mine ?

The second two were actually from another mobo forum member to which I would like to add to his classic quote too

How to bleed an engine

" crank an injector, start engine and re tighten "

He also has some stunning advice in this months MBM

" how YOU dont need a bow thruster as I dont use finger berths"


Nice one /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif








Re Gentleman's charter

Anyone not familiar with that thread and I dont remember anyone who managed to grasp it


At the end of the day the courts will rule all accidents as 50% 50% blame as both boats have a duty to avoid a collision.

As such as the sail boat is less manoeuvrable the sail craft has to take avoiding action prior to the more manoeuvrable mobo

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

There certainly is a case for sailing to be the subject of compulsory licencing based on the MCA's accident statistics which recorded that in year 2006, 10 people were killed whilst sailing and only 1 whilst motorboating. On that basis, sailing is clearly a substantially more dangerous pastime and, in line with the burgeoning nanny state, should be regulated out of existence

 

[l'escargot]

No, the second one was yours as well. One of my favourites actually, along with:

"I am the most considerate MOBO owner out in the Solent."

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[l'escargot]

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.....As such as the sail boat is less manoeuvrable the sail craft has to take avoiding action prior to the more manoeuvrable mobo

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If you are going to do that one again, go back to this thread from last year and save us all a lot of time. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif That's where your "Zigging and Zagging" quote comes from.

It's a bit like victoraspey and his "full stop" - you had a "set in stone" /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

[ggt9]

I'll add my thanks to Daka too.

It 's been a useful and amusing discussion which I've read avidly but have chickened out of joining in despite the heroic courage of the original post.

It's not only a good trawl through the colregs (which I had to go and read again) but it's painted a delightful picture of boating in the Solent.

"I can drop a rule 30 on him... come across the channel to take those two out with rule 9... get someone on the lee quarter ready to hurl abuse... you - get on the VHF and report that twit to the coastguard... that's a motor boat so we'll ram it to save tacking... that racing dingy with a kid in it can turn on a sixpence so we just open her up and shove past him... get a grab bag ready... flares, water, handheld, col regs booklet, harbour byelaws poster, ICC, sailing school certificate, insurance and legal aid form."

Where does all the ranting and rage come from?

Why on earth would a yachtmaster examiner think it appropriate or in any way seaman-like to get on the VHF and start lecturing passing boats about his view of the colregs?

Lots of boats round here seem to manage with little or no knowledge or application of the colregs by the simple tactic of being sensible and courteous and staying out of each others way.

 

[l'escargot]

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...Where does all the ranting and rage come from? ...

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In reality, only on here - after the event. You don't have time for all this when you're out sailing. It's only when you get sat in your computer chair and you have your version of events firmly established in your head can you get a good row going. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[ggt9]

Oh good.

Because I really enjoyed the very little boating in the Solent I've done and would love to have another go some time and I'd hate it to be spoilt by people hurling abuse or driving their boats at me.

 

[fireball]

Where abouts in the Emsworth Channel? I didn't agree it was a narrow channel - just that the Harbour office considers any fairway with moorings to be a narrow channel ... but where does that fairway start and end?

Anyway, it should be the Mobos who have compulsory licencing as they seem to try and envoke Rule 9 at every opportunity meaning that they really don't know how to control their vessels properly. The Yachts that Zig and Zag their way up channels are mearly showing off their boat handling skills .... and therefore are far more capable than the stinky helms ... so don't need to be licenced ...

 

[l'escargot]

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...The Yachts that Zig and Zag their way up channels are mearly showing off their boat handling skills .... and therefore are far more capable than the stinky helms ... so don't need to be licenced ...

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And as most sailing boats have engines and tenders with engines, Raggies are equally as skilled as Mobo owners (who seldom have sails as well, so only have the one skill. Which may also explain their often limited grasp of Colregs). So there is probably less reason to license Raggies than Mobos, as they have dual skills.
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[DAKA]

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Where abouts in the Emsworth Channel? I didn't agree it was a narrow channel - just that the Harbour office considers any fairway with moorings to be a narrow channel ... but where does that fairway start and end?



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Before you chastise me for not knowing exactly where I was please note I am only a visitor in Chichester Harbour, I am from the Humber.
My charts are on the boat and I am in the office.

From seaward side into Chich, head for Emsworth.
At a safe south Post ( the one I thought you mentioned as been fair game soouth of)
Head NW towards a Bridge and a pub on the right.

There are some swinging boats to starboard, a few red withies ? as marked on my plan.

we had just passed a big red post with " swear deep " on it or something.

The cruiser came from between the swinging boats.




Regardless of Narrow channel or clear water the 'sailor' (spit, spit) just tacked into me forcing me to take emergency action, thankfully my crew including 7 year old daughter were unhurt, she is just learning to put fenders out in sheltered waters it could have been nasty......


I will be ready next time, I will ensure I have the windward advantage so any boat attempting to go about will be in my lee ........I didnt get this without knowing how to @@@@ up someones day /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

http://www.pdb1.co.uk/imagepath/0fb329becfc3660dc8816a265807aec4.jpg


Anyone not into sailing ....... its all about ramming your 'mates' into buoys, forcing them onto shallows, steeling their wind and generally acting as they do to MOBOs

 

[victoraspey]

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Lots of boats round here seem to manage with little or no knowledge or application of the colregs

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Crikey- do these sailboats really not bother reading the regs. That explains a lot.

 

[fireball]

I know where you mean - the run round into Northney marina ... the first section is quite wide, but does narrow down quite quickly ... trying to think what the current was like through there when I was racing through there ... can't really recall. Eitherway, with the facts from you and the sailboat skipper unable to put his view back I would say it was a daft move from the sailboat skipper ... as a giveway vessel should be given adequate time and opportunity to keep clear.

 

[fireball]

They don't need to - power gives way to sail ... keep up!