bluebear
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Ignorant Rib Drivers in Pwllheli
- Thread starter Heckler
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fireball
Well-Known Member
He wasn't referring to you then was he!
JimboD
New Member
Come on guys - a little tolerance is perhaps called for? Large scale organised events with Ribs such as this happen once in a blue moon, and with Ribs on that scale in a little harbour there is bound the be a conflict of resources. It's unfortunate, but it's boating. Try being on the South Coast where the scenario you've just described is a relatively peaceful day!
The event was an organised one, and a well organised one. All the proper authorities were consulted, and it was managed by the (coincidentally) Principal of a local Powerboating School. Ribs do go fast - that's what they are designed to do. They also take a substantial amount of time to recover, so instead of bitching about the one day they were slightly in the way, a more pragmatic approach may have been appropriate.
Sailors can be intolerant on the water (the number of times I have been shouted at rudely whilst out in my rib from broken down yachts requiring a tow compared to the number of times a fellow powerboater, usually looking embarrased, has requested a tow) as can PWC users, dinghy sailors, sportsboaters, fishing craft, professional mariners, the list goes on. Why don't both sides lighten up, and stick to enjoying the water, and allowing others to do the same without prejudice, stereotyping, name calling, and exaggeration on a global forum? Whether you prefer wind, power, or oars, the sea is a wonderful place to be where the stresses of work and social problems seem to melt away, and I see no reason why any class of boater should have more right to that than another.
(P.S. That's coming from a Yacht Owner, a Dinghy Sailor, and Rib Owner)
The event was an organised one, and a well organised one. All the proper authorities were consulted, and it was managed by the (coincidentally) Principal of a local Powerboating School. Ribs do go fast - that's what they are designed to do. They also take a substantial amount of time to recover, so instead of bitching about the one day they were slightly in the way, a more pragmatic approach may have been appropriate.
Sailors can be intolerant on the water (the number of times I have been shouted at rudely whilst out in my rib from broken down yachts requiring a tow compared to the number of times a fellow powerboater, usually looking embarrased, has requested a tow) as can PWC users, dinghy sailors, sportsboaters, fishing craft, professional mariners, the list goes on. Why don't both sides lighten up, and stick to enjoying the water, and allowing others to do the same without prejudice, stereotyping, name calling, and exaggeration on a global forum? Whether you prefer wind, power, or oars, the sea is a wonderful place to be where the stresses of work and social problems seem to melt away, and I see no reason why any class of boater should have more right to that than another.
(P.S. That's coming from a Yacht Owner, a Dinghy Sailor, and Rib Owner)
RibNobbur
New Member
I was in the rib group, it was well organised,
did not see anyone speeding out of the harbour, in fact one of our group helped a "local" as their engine had failed.
I think the post by skipper stu was generally quite rude and offensive and he lowered the tone by name calling which is quite childish really.
I think it is this sort of behaviour that lets the side down.
did not see anyone speeding out of the harbour, in fact one of our group helped a "local" as their engine had failed.
I think the post by skipper stu was generally quite rude and offensive and he lowered the tone by name calling which is quite childish really.
I think it is this sort of behaviour that lets the side down.
chuckaduck
Well-Known Member
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I was implying that within every type of boat class there may be a few that can (inadvertantly or otherwise) cause problems, either through naivety, outside elements or ineptitude. It is not limited to RIBs.
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This really sums it up it takes all types robos mobos raggies ribbers etc most who try to be concientious and considerate but a few are always selfish ignorant and rude in this event there were a lot of boats there so arguments were bound to happen
Its a bit like sitting in the traffic on the shool run
I was implying that within every type of boat class there may be a few that can (inadvertantly or otherwise) cause problems, either through naivety, outside elements or ineptitude. It is not limited to RIBs.
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This really sums it up it takes all types robos mobos raggies ribbers etc most who try to be concientious and considerate but a few are always selfish ignorant and rude in this event there were a lot of boats there so arguments were bound to happen
Its a bit like sitting in the traffic on the shool run
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It doesn't matter whether it's a yacht, a RIB, a Jetski or a gin palace. Most folks are amiable and conscientious but you always get the odd prat.
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The vessel type does matter. Ignorant or inconsiderate behavior from a yacht has far less impact on others because of low hull speed and quiet low power engines.
It doesn't matter whether it's a yacht, a RIB, a Jetski or a gin palace. Most folks are amiable and conscientious but you always get the odd prat.
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The vessel type does matter. Ignorant or inconsiderate behavior from a yacht has far less impact on others because of low hull speed and quiet low power engines.
jprstoney
Well-Known Member
I wasn't suggesting that the newer or fancier RIBs were inferior. In fact I wish I hadn't opened my expansive gob now.
I'll leave you all to argue amongst yourselves as my beer is getting warm. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I'll leave you all to argue amongst yourselves as my beer is getting warm. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
jprstoney
Well-Known Member
Can we all just have a big group hug so I can get back to the beer?......
Tisme
Well-Known Member
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I see no reason why any class of boater should have more right to that than another.
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....which is the point that SS was making. He simply wanted to get back to his mooring.
I see no reason why any class of boater should have more right to that than another.
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....which is the point that SS was making. He simply wanted to get back to his mooring.
fireball
Well-Known Member
Erm - 1) I am on the south coast and 2) tollerance is what I said ... (ok courtsey ... similar!!)
Can't say I own a rib - but I do the other 2 ... I do drive a rib quite often though - does that count?
Can't say I own a rib - but I do the other 2 ... I do drive a rib quite often though - does that count?
chuckaduck
Well-Known Member
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Absolutely - not seen any evidence that the ribbers were intollerant - their feedback from the weekend (on another site) has been nothing but positive. SS obviously didn't leave a lasting impression! I do see evidence of one sailor getting on his high horse.
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Hiya ribimposter can see your points can you give me the url of rib forum as I would interested in the read if you dont want to post this then pm me cheers
Absolutely - not seen any evidence that the ribbers were intollerant - their feedback from the weekend (on another site) has been nothing but positive. SS obviously didn't leave a lasting impression! I do see evidence of one sailor getting on his high horse.
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Hiya ribimposter can see your points can you give me the url of rib forum as I would interested in the read if you dont want to post this then pm me cheers
JKay
Well-Known Member
relax its a ribs uk/ribnet wind up check their forum.SS upset them they are trying to upset us
[--word removed--] happens relax /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
or not and watch SS post go thro' the 100's /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
cheers Joe
[--word removed--] happens relax /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
or not and watch SS post go thro' the 100's /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
cheers Joe
RibNobbur
New Member
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Erm - 1) I am on the south coast and 2) tollerance is what I said ... (ok courtsey ... similar!!)
Can't say I own a rib - but I do the other 2 ... I do drive a rib quite often though - does that count?
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as long as you dont cut me up when i am in chichester, is my local port!!!! haha
Erm - 1) I am on the south coast and 2) tollerance is what I said ... (ok courtsey ... similar!!)
Can't say I own a rib - but I do the other 2 ... I do drive a rib quite often though - does that count?
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as long as you dont cut me up when i am in chichester, is my local port!!!! haha
JimboD
New Member
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The vessel type does matter. Ignorant or inconsiderate behavior from a yacht has far less impact on others because of low hull speed and quiet low power engines.
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I disagree. I would quote momentum or inertia (never quite understood what the difference is!), an often blind faith that other water users should automatically part in front of you, whether you be in the right, or perhaps overtaking vessel. Yachts with sails up any inattentive crew can be hugely dangerous as you get an enormous blind spots below the sails. A rib or sportsboat you could happily paddle out of harms way, or quickly move oneself using the anchor - not so easy in a yacht.
And what about the emotional impact? (I actually do mean that seriously). At the start of the season through teaching 4 powerboat level 2 courses, I towed no fewer than 6 essels up a river near Southampton. 4 were ribs (actually 3 boats - I towed the same on twice!!!) and all were extremely friendly and amiable throughout the tow. One sailing boat was a friend who was, naturally polite, and the third was an orange trimaran who was incredibly inconsiderate and rude, demanding my immediate attention, and shouting aimlessly at me without doing anything constructive to aid his cause. The following weekend I witnessed a similar boat nearly run over a group of young children undergoing training with the local rowing club - you tell me how in any way this has "far less impact on others".
I would support the view that there are people who spoil the water for and from every discipline out there, however this absurd notion that as you are in a sailing boat you are somehow less of a hazard I find laughably arrogant and quite frankly dangerous. Get a grip - there is lots of water, and relatively few boats. We all have an equal right to the water, and if we get stuck we can all be courteous rather than arguing toss over who is being more ignorant and inconsiderate.
The vessel type does matter. Ignorant or inconsiderate behavior from a yacht has far less impact on others because of low hull speed and quiet low power engines.
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I disagree. I would quote momentum or inertia (never quite understood what the difference is!), an often blind faith that other water users should automatically part in front of you, whether you be in the right, or perhaps overtaking vessel. Yachts with sails up any inattentive crew can be hugely dangerous as you get an enormous blind spots below the sails. A rib or sportsboat you could happily paddle out of harms way, or quickly move oneself using the anchor - not so easy in a yacht.
And what about the emotional impact? (I actually do mean that seriously). At the start of the season through teaching 4 powerboat level 2 courses, I towed no fewer than 6 essels up a river near Southampton. 4 were ribs (actually 3 boats - I towed the same on twice!!!) and all were extremely friendly and amiable throughout the tow. One sailing boat was a friend who was, naturally polite, and the third was an orange trimaran who was incredibly inconsiderate and rude, demanding my immediate attention, and shouting aimlessly at me without doing anything constructive to aid his cause. The following weekend I witnessed a similar boat nearly run over a group of young children undergoing training with the local rowing club - you tell me how in any way this has "far less impact on others".
I would support the view that there are people who spoil the water for and from every discipline out there, however this absurd notion that as you are in a sailing boat you are somehow less of a hazard I find laughably arrogant and quite frankly dangerous. Get a grip - there is lots of water, and relatively few boats. We all have an equal right to the water, and if we get stuck we can all be courteous rather than arguing toss over who is being more ignorant and inconsiderate.
RibNobbur
New Member
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The vessel type does matter. Ignorant or inconsiderate behavior from a yacht has far less impact on others because of low hull speed and quiet low power engines.
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I disagree. I would quote momentum or inertia (never quite understood what the difference is!), an often blind faith that other water users should automatically part in front of you, whether you be in the right, or perhaps overtaking vessel. Yachts with sails up any inattentive crew can be hugely dangerous as you get an enormous blind spots below the sails. A rib or sportsboat you could happily paddle out of harms way, or quickly move oneself using the anchor - not so easy in a yacht.
And what about the emotional impact? (I actually do mean that seriously). At the start of the season through teaching 4 powerboat level 2 courses, I towed no fewer than 6 essels up a river near Southampton. 4 were ribs (actually 3 boats - I towed the same on twice!!!) and all were extremely friendly and amiable throughout the tow. One sailing boat was a friend who was, naturally polite, and the third was an orange trimaran who was incredibly inconsiderate and rude, demanding my immediate attention, and shouting aimlessly at me without doing anything constructive to aid his cause. The following weekend I witnessed a similar boat nearly run over a group of young children undergoing training with the local rowing club - you tell me how in any way this has "far less impact on others".
I would support the view that there are people who spoil the water for and from every discipline out there, however this absurd notion that as you are in a sailing boat you are somehow less of a hazard I find laughably arrogant and quite frankly dangerous. Get a grip - there is lots of water, and relatively few boats. We all have an equal right to the water, and if we get stuck we can all be courteous rather than arguing toss over who is being more ignorant and inconsiderate.
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nicely put
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The vessel type does matter. Ignorant or inconsiderate behavior from a yacht has far less impact on others because of low hull speed and quiet low power engines.
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I disagree. I would quote momentum or inertia (never quite understood what the difference is!), an often blind faith that other water users should automatically part in front of you, whether you be in the right, or perhaps overtaking vessel. Yachts with sails up any inattentive crew can be hugely dangerous as you get an enormous blind spots below the sails. A rib or sportsboat you could happily paddle out of harms way, or quickly move oneself using the anchor - not so easy in a yacht.
And what about the emotional impact? (I actually do mean that seriously). At the start of the season through teaching 4 powerboat level 2 courses, I towed no fewer than 6 essels up a river near Southampton. 4 were ribs (actually 3 boats - I towed the same on twice!!!) and all were extremely friendly and amiable throughout the tow. One sailing boat was a friend who was, naturally polite, and the third was an orange trimaran who was incredibly inconsiderate and rude, demanding my immediate attention, and shouting aimlessly at me without doing anything constructive to aid his cause. The following weekend I witnessed a similar boat nearly run over a group of young children undergoing training with the local rowing club - you tell me how in any way this has "far less impact on others".
I would support the view that there are people who spoil the water for and from every discipline out there, however this absurd notion that as you are in a sailing boat you are somehow less of a hazard I find laughably arrogant and quite frankly dangerous. Get a grip - there is lots of water, and relatively few boats. We all have an equal right to the water, and if we get stuck we can all be courteous rather than arguing toss over who is being more ignorant and inconsiderate.
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nicely put
Lakesailor
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Bluebear, RIBimposter and lasermirror.
Welcome to the forum.
Have you been lurking and decided to register to defend the RIBfest, or have you been alerted from your own forum and made your way across here?
Either way I would say you're probably right. An event will always upset someone and there will always be an uncontrolable element.
It's not just Ribs, but mobos and also (hush my mouth) raggies as well that cause grief.
Only yesterday I was challenged to my intended docking at a jetty by an inflatible tender from a yacht who appeared and tried to pass me to get to the jetty first.
I'm made of stronger stuff than that.
Welcome to the forum.
Have you been lurking and decided to register to defend the RIBfest, or have you been alerted from your own forum and made your way across here?
Either way I would say you're probably right. An event will always upset someone and there will always be an uncontrolable element.
It's not just Ribs, but mobos and also (hush my mouth) raggies as well that cause grief.
Only yesterday I was challenged to my intended docking at a jetty by an inflatible tender from a yacht who appeared and tried to pass me to get to the jetty first.
I'm made of stronger stuff than that.
JimboD
New Member
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I see no reason why any class of boater should have more right to that than another.
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....which is the point that SS was making. He simply wanted to get back to his mooring.
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I have no problem with that. What I don't like is the name calling and stereotyping that accompanied his story.
If he'd simply said "Did anyone else see the ribs out on the weekend in Pwelheli? There were loads of them - it was an absolute nuisance getting back to my mooring as they occupied the entire channel while they recovered" do you think anybody on the weekend would have noticed this thread? No, they'd have simply ignored it - but the exaggeration of events and stereotyping is what winds people up, because it's neither helpful, nor conducive to things getting better.
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I see no reason why any class of boater should have more right to that than another.
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....which is the point that SS was making. He simply wanted to get back to his mooring.
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I have no problem with that. What I don't like is the name calling and stereotyping that accompanied his story.
If he'd simply said "Did anyone else see the ribs out on the weekend in Pwelheli? There were loads of them - it was an absolute nuisance getting back to my mooring as they occupied the entire channel while they recovered" do you think anybody on the weekend would have noticed this thread? No, they'd have simply ignored it - but the exaggeration of events and stereotyping is what winds people up, because it's neither helpful, nor conducive to things getting better.
JKay
Well-Known Member
google "ribnet"
cheers Joe
cheers Joe
RibNobbur
New Member
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relax its a ribs uk/ribnet wind up check their forum.SS upset them they are trying to upset us
[--word removed--] happens relax /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
or not and watch SS post go thro' the 100's /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
cheers Joe
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you guys started it!!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
relax its a ribs uk/ribnet wind up check their forum.SS upset them they are trying to upset us
[--word removed--] happens relax /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
or not and watch SS post go thro' the 100's /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
cheers Joe
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you guys started it!!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Tisme
Well-Known Member
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relax its a ribs uk/ribnet wind up check their forum.
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That's pretty obvious! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif They're all turning up here. It will shortly be as busy as it was at Pwllheli. Still, they'll ship out soon and go and make a nuisance elsewhere! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
relax its a ribs uk/ribnet wind up check their forum.
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That's pretty obvious! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif They're all turning up here. It will shortly be as busy as it was at Pwllheli. Still, they'll ship out soon and go and make a nuisance elsewhere! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
