ICC's outside the UK

[Danny_Labrador]

ICC\'s outside the UK

Did anyone notice in the RYA magazine the comment regarding ICC’s and flags.
If I am understanding this correctly then the RYA/MCA, ICA only works if its with a skipper on a UK register boat ! If the boats is not registered in the UK i.e. - flying another flag, then it may not be acceptable, (magic doesn’t work or something).
Bit of a bugger if you charter in abroad! the boat by definition won’t be a UK vessel, can you change the flag ? That's half of what I thought an ICC was for.

Tell me I have got this all wrong!

 

[boatmike]

Re: ICC\'s outside the UK

If you charter you will find the charter company have it covered.

 

[LadyInBed]

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As I understand it, you only need to show it to the hire company to prove that you are competent to drive the boat you intend to hire.

 

[Sea Devil]

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Not too sure charter companies would be very impressed by an ICC or indeed most of the other bits of paper - they really want to know your experience and knowlage - the certificates are a useful guide but not the passport... I think???

 

[gjeffery]

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There seems to be a tension between the EU's aim to remove barriers to the transfer of goods, and services, including professional qualifications, and the scope restriction placed on the validity of the ICC within Europe. Could this be protectionism by the national sailing authorities?

 

[Birdseye]

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There seems to be a tension between the EU's aim to remove barriers to the transfer of goods, and services, including professional qualifications, and the scope restriction placed on the validity of the ICC within Europe. Could this be protectionism by the national sailing authorities?

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No - according to the RYA. The article says that the ICC is issued under UN resolution 40. In any case, the ICC cant sensible be called a professional qualification.

My guess would be that the problem doesnt come about when chartering a boat, but when taking a chartered boat into a third country eg Brit with ICC charters French boat and sails into Spain. Certainly my experience in France was that no qualifications were required when I chartered a French boat, even on the inland waterways. What are regulations when there's money to be made!

 

[LadyInBed]

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I said that on the experience of a friend who wanted to hire a motor boat for the w/e in the south of France (Hyeres) to go out to the Porquerolles. They accepted a UK ICC (motor) as proof of competence.

 

[Sea Devil]

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Sorry - I was talking sailboats...

 

[Trazie]

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Having run a charter company in Portugal for 5 years I would like to input the way I would go about this.

An ICC does appease the authorities, however I would ask a lot of questions relevant to experience before letting somebody take a boat on bareboat charter.

 

[alant]

Re: ICC\'s outside the UK - Sail + Motor -RYA version

According to the RYA Mag, a Sail ICC can be endorsed for motor - up to 10m, to allow a powered tender to be used.
Also that a Powerboat Level 2, can endorse an ICC for up to 10m.
Anyone know if this is the same endorsement?
Someone on a previous thread mentioned a time limit of 10 mins (use of tender), so what does the PBL2 allow if different.

 

[Guest]

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Thirty years ago, on holiday in Cornwall, I hired a dinghy for half a day.

The hirer said 'there it is , rig it'

I assumed, at the time, that it was his way of checking competence

 

[cruisingsam]

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yep, same thing 2 years ago on Lake Geneva hiring a Laser. seems a good test

 

[peterb]

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I once wanted to hire a dinghy on the lake in Hamburg. The hirer shook his head and explained "In Germany you must have qualification!".

I pulled out a YM certificate and his eyes really lit up. He'd heard of the YM qualification, but had never seen one. I ended up with three hours free sailing on the Alster.

 

[LadyInBed]

Re: YM certificate - LOL - nm

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[duncan]

Re: ICC\'s outside the UK - Sail + Motor -RYA version

yes
yes
yes
& rubbish

 

[jenku]

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This is actually quite funny. If it had been your own boat you did not have needed any qualification, only if you rent it. That's in Germany, so I guess it's mainly an insurance thing. On the other hand in France it's the other way around. You can hire a boat on the canals and need nothing, but if it's your own boat you need this whatever it's called....so there it seems to be mainly a tax thing...