ICC "Coastal Waters"

[Mark-1]

UK ICC issued by RYA | boating abroad | RYA

"An RYA Day Skipper Shorebased or higher Course Completion Certificate can be used to validate the coastal waters category only. "

Does this mean there is less assesment time for an ICC if you have a shorebased certificate of some kind? Or does it mean that you can do the ICC Inland in some way and then use your Shorebased Certificate to make it 'Coastal'?

...and what exactly does an ICC assessor give you? Some kind of letter saying you've been assessed which you send off with an application for an ICC?

Does an ICC assessor need to be an RYA sailing school? It used to be any officer of a sailing club but I'm sure that changed a while back but I'm not really clear what it changed to.

EDIT For anyone finding this thread in future:

For a sailing ICC via assessment you need two assessment forms completed one for sail, one for 'coastal':

ICC-4b:
https://assets.rya.org.uk/assetbank...69.1860156964.1698664158-293543989.1692091651

ICC-4c:
https://assetbank-eu-west-1.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/rya-assets_87113cb4549df15cff38e2cd071931c5/964/ICC-4c-coastal-assessment-syllabus-certificate.pdf?response-content-disposition=inline; filename="964/ICC-4c-coastal-assessment-syllabus-certificate.pdf"; filename*=UTF-8''964%2FICC%2D4c%2Dcoastal%2Dassessment%2Dsyllabus%2Dcertificate%2Epdf&response-content-type=application/pdf&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Date=20231030T153512Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=900&X-Amz-Credential=AKIATJ7XNAYVAWNFIK7R/20231030/eu-west-1/s3/aws4_request&X-Amz-Signature=8bda39401b7c6a39543722852ffedfe994df1bdc079f72b2ecb432ad27b3e7a8


ICC-4c is not required if you have a shorebased certificate.

You don't need to pay a sailing school for either Coastal or Sail Assessment form - a "Principal / Chief Instructor / Flag Officer" of an RYA affiliated club can sign it off for you.

 

[oldmanofthehills]

W e got the Coastal. The RYA endorsed course entitled us to ICC. We paid no fee apart from renewing RYA membership - it would be £25 otherwise

 

[finestgreen]

UK ICC issued by RYA | boating abroad | RYA

"An RYA Day Skipper Shorebased or higher Course Completion Certificate can be used to validate the coastal waters category only. "

Does this mean there is less assesment time for an ICC if you have a shorebased certificate of some kind? Or does it mean that you can do the ICC Inland in some way and then use your Shorebased Certificate to make it 'Coastal'?

It means you need to do the CEVNI test (in addition to suitable practical training or assessment) to get the inland waters category.

https://assets.rya.org.uk/assetbank...42.1831504638.1698596988-536602468.1691169876

 

[MontyMariner]

It means you need to do the CEVNI test (in addition to suitable practical training or assessment) to get the inland waters category.

https://assets.rya.org.uk/assetbank...42.1831504638.1698596988-536602468.1691169876

Only if you want to transit European inland waterways, and I think that's just EU waterways.
To make life more complicated, in France it applies to waterways controlled by VNF as there are waterways such as the Rance and Villain that they don't control, so CEVNI isn't required.

 

[finestgreen]

Only if you want to transit European inland waterways, and I think that's just EU waterways.
To make life more complicated, in France it applies to waterways controlled by VNF as there are waterways such as the Rance and Villain that they don't control, so CEVNI isn't required.

No - the CEVNI only tells you about European inland waterways but you need it for the Inland endorsement of the ICC wherever you plan to sail.

 

[Sticky Fingers]

The essence of the Coastal Waters endorsement is that you can separately evidence knowledge of IRPCS aka ColRegs, and pilotage / navigation skills, using a shorebased Day Skipper theory completion certificate for example. This might need to apply where you are not using your Day Skipper or Coastal or YM Practical (which assume knowledge of those things).

So if you are applying with some qualifications that do not include IRPCS etc eg RYA helmsman, then you need to add the IRPCS via another route.

As said, CEVNI for inland.

 

[CJ13]

RYA ICC currently costs £50 for either a new application or renewal .

 

[Sticky Fingers]

RYA ICC currently costs £50 for either a new application or renewal .

Not if you’re a member, it’s free.

 

[CJ13]

Not if you’re a member, it’s free.

Which takes us back to the discussion about the value of RYA membership!

 

[Davy_S]

Well i recently renewed my ICC, £50, i can't really complain about £10 a year!

 

[Mark-1]

The essence of the Coastal Waters endorsement is that you can separately evidence knowledge of...

...but in the context of being assessed it won't reduce the duration or the cost? TBH, I wouldn't expect it do but it's weird they should mention it if it's irrelevant. There's enough obfuscation around this topic already without the needless verbiage.

I'm still curious about what exactly an ICC assessor physically gives you after the assessment? Some kind of letter saying you've been assessed which you send off with an application for an ICC?

 

[finestgreen]

...but in the context of being assessed it won't reduce the duration or the cost? TBH, I wouldn't expect it do but it's weird they should mention it if it's irrelevant. There's enough obfuscation around this topic already without the needless verbiage.

I'm still curious about what exactly an ICC assessor physically gives you after the assessment? Some kind of letter saying you've been assessed which you send off with an application for an ICC?

I think the relevant certificate templates are linked from:

Apply for an ICC | boating abroad | RYA

And that you'd need *two* of the assessment certificates to get an ICC: either power or sail, and either coastal or inland.

You could replace the need for a coastal assessment by completing Day Skipper shorebased

No relevant expertise, just reading the webpages.

 

[capnsensible]

...but in the context of being assessed it won't reduce the duration or the cost? TBH, I wouldn't expect it do but it's weird they should mention it if it's irrelevant. There's enough obfuscation around this topic already without the needless verbiage.

I'm still curious about what exactly an ICC assessor physically gives you after the assessment? Some kind of letter saying you've been assessed which you send off with an application for an ICC?

Apply for an ICC | boating abroad | RYA

Google it and you will find lots of places offering you to download the pdf of the application form. It answers all your questions.

In summary.

Download application
Thoroughly read it
Check you are eligible
Ensure you can answer all of the theory part
Ensure you are competent for the practical part

Book test
Pass test

Send signed form with photos.

Ta da. Done.

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Yup. That’s the assessment route. I think the OP wanted to know if they could offer something in place of the theory element of the assessment and gain a reduction in the cost.

 

[Mark-1]

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[Mark-1]

I think the relevant certificate templates are linked from:

Apply for an ICC | boating abroad | RYA

And that you'd need *two* of the assessment certificates to get an ICC: either power or sail, and either coastal or inland.

I honestly can't see either. I can see three links on that page an none of them point to anything that looks like a coastal/inland power/sail assessment.

The three links I can see are:
ICC-2 Notes: Evidencing identity and eligibility.
ICC-2 Notes: Evidencing identity and eligibility.
ICC assessment.

ICC Assessment looks promising but just links through to this:
UK ICC issued by RYA | boating abroad | RYA

 

[finestgreen]

I honestly can't see either. I can see three links on that page an none of them point to anything that looks like a coastal/inland power/sail assessment.

The three links I can see are:
ICC-2 Notes: Evidencing identity and eligibility.
ICC-2 Notes: Evidencing identity and eligibility.
ICC assessment.

ICC Assessment looks promising but just links through to this:
UK ICC issued by RYA | boating abroad | RYA

This bit:

 

[finestgreen]

This bit:
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And this link for all the different certificates that count - you need at least one from list A and one from list B:

https://assets.rya.org.uk/assetbank...05.1831504638.1698596988-536602468.1691169876

 

[Mark-1]

This bit:
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Thanks that's crystal clear - if you're a sailor who has some kind of shorebased sailing certificate you only need IIC-4b and you don't need to pay a sailing school for either - it can be a "Principal / Chief Instructor / Flag Officer" of an RYA affiliated club. Which is exactly how I remember it from the good old days.
Result.

(Re the website issue - I registered, logged in, logged out, hit refresh a couple of times and all the stuff below the blue "Apply online for an ICC" became visible. Problem was either my Browser or the RYA IT guy. Works fine on Chrome/Android.)

 

[capnsensible]

There are two signatures required. One by the tester....I know a Yachtmaster Istructor can, possibly a Cruising Instructot too...but the countersigned is by those you mention. There is no cheapo shortcut. Bye bye bad old days where there was no monitoring of standards. Hurrah.