How to accommodate a mooring line on a yacht with an anchor already stored on a bow roller ??

[John Steels]

I am in the process of purchasing a Sun Odyssey 33i which has the 'standard' stainless bow support & roller with the anchor stored on it hanging over the bow. The boat will be kept on a swinging mooring so will need to accommodate a mooring strop guided / located in the center of the bow which is currently occupied by the anchor..... So what can be done ideally to let the 2 options co-exist ?? There are a number of temporary options but I need a permanent solution and I would welcome any suggestions idelly with photos / diagrams to illustrate!

 

[ithet]

If you cannot easily remove the anchor then the option is to make up a bridle that goes through the fairleads on each side of bow and add suitable chaf protection. You need to be sure that it can never catch on the anchor though. We do this when on a mooring buoy with our Beneteau 331, but are not permanent on one. I have also tried using a lanyard to haul the anchor up to the pullpit to clear the roller.

 

[Refueler]

Personally - I'd move the anchor.

The final 'resting place' of course depends on the anchor ..... for my Holdfast Plough - I have purpose designed chocks on foredeck it sits in :

I have often considered moving it as it does catch sheets / bit awkward on a limited deck area ... but where to put it then ??

I knew a number of owners who changed from leaving their anchors stowed on the bow rollers after Marina included in the fees calculation ... tripped their boats into next category (UK well known Marina co) .... they had Bruse and various other designs common on such as Jeanneau etc. One guy created a hangar on the pulpit ....

 

[Refueler]

If you cannot easily remove the anchor then the option is to make up a bridle that goes through the fairleads on each side of now with suitable protection. You need to be sure that it can never catch on the anchor though. We do this when on a mooring bouy with our Beneteau 331, but are not permanent on one. I have also tried using a lanyard to haul the anchor up to the pullpit to clear the roller.

I was going to suggest a Y bridle ..... using bow fairleads either side ... but so many boats now are poorly equipped with fairleads ... plus the bridle will chafe the bow as the boat yaws to the mooring.
I think in terms of serious mooring - anchor has to move.

 

[Tranona]

Welcome.

There is not a simple solution. Simplest option is to remove the anchor after one has picked up the buoy and move the mooring line to the bow roller. Otherwise you need to have a double bow roller fitting made, although from photos it looks like there could be room to fit a second independent roller on the port side of the forestay. yachtworld.co.uk/yacht/2013-jeanneau-sun-odyssey-33i-8626765/There are many such types available such as these here seamarknunn.com/acatalog/Bow-Rollers.html

 

[ithet]

I expect that, as on my boat, there is simply not enough gap in the pullpit to actually bring the anchor safely through.

 

[Wansworth]

Maybe you can just hoist it up and lash to underside of pulpit out the way whilst in mooring mode

 

[Tranona]

As you will see from the photos there are no fairleads at the bow as the cleats are way back on the toerail. OK for picking up a lazy line in the med, but not for a swinging mooring. Pretty sure a separate roller could be fitted as often the ring for a Selden prodder is fitted in that location. 2013 Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 33i Cruiser for sale - YachtWorld

 

[vyv_cox]

For short term mooring use, e.g. at taverna mooring buoys in Greece, I hoist my Rocna up to hang off the pulpit. I would not consider this for more permanent mooring. When I kept my boat on a mooring in Wales I always stowed the anchor in the bow locker.

 

[seumask]

On our Sun odyssey 37 mooring, we remove the anchor, and use both bow rollers, one for the shock absorbing rope strop and one for the fail safe chain. IMHO you cant get away with leaving the anchor on, even in mild conditions the boat will interact with the mooring in ways that will ensnare the anchor, and cause a tangle. Occasionally on our summer wanderings we pick up a mooring and leave the anchor on, but on those occasions we are usually onboard and you can see the trouble being caused!

 

[Daydream believer]

I always found fairleads suspect. I never put any line through them as they immediately cause chafe. When I first purchased my boat I had to put it on a mooring for 4 months & found that the side was smooth enough to just take a pair of lines over the side straight from the cleats & on to the buoy. Each onto a separate shackle on the buoy. Then a chain set slack via the bow roller to the buoy. Again on a different shackle.
On my launch, I do similar but just a single post. So loop over the post & 1 chain & 2 lines all go to the buoy. In this case the chain ( over the bow roller)takes the strain & the 2 ropes are left slack.
If the OP does not want to use the bow roller, I suggest he looks at the option I suggest & see if the gunwale is smooth. If so drop 1 rope each side of decent quality & diameter. Sheaved if desired. A small line around the cleats, to stop the loops jumping off, if the bow dips in a rough wave.

 

[Graham376]

I just lift the 20kg anchor over the pulpit and stow on deck, both mooring strops go over the rollers.

 

[Tranona]

On our Sun odyssey 37 mooring, we remove the anchor, and use both bow rollers, one for the shock absorbing rope strop and one for the fail safe chain. IMHO you cant get away with leaving the anchor on, even in mild conditions the boat will interact with the mooring in ways that will ensnare the anchor, and cause a tangle. Occasionally on our summer wanderings we pick up a mooring and leave the anchor on, but on those occasions we are usually onboard and you can see the trouble being caused!

The OPs boat is nothing like yours - see the link in post #8 and he does not have that option. Hence his question. The newer style boats with plumb bows and overhanging single bow rollers were never designed for swinging moorings.

 

[LadyInBed]

The newer style boats with plumb bows and overhanging single bow rollers were never designed for swinging moorings.

There's a sign of the times!
Maybe the bow roller is for the mooring line, as using an anchor seems to be going out of fashion ?

 

[Daydream believer]

As you will see from the photos there are no fairleads at the bow as the cleats are way back on the toerail. OK for picking up a lazy line in the med, but not for a swinging mooring. Pretty sure a separate roller could be fitted as often the ring for a Selden prodder is fitted in that location. 2013 Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 33i Cruiser for sale - YachtWorld

Now I have seen that I might take 2 lines -one per cleat. Form a joint at the bow on the outside below the anchor so they form a "Y".

Actually a 5 tonne webbing strap to the buoy with an eye just aft of the anchor with a pair of lines - one per cleat - would hold the boat. The anchor would sit on top of the webbing in the roller as it is quite thin. Put the anchor in the roller upside down. Hook the point of it over the pulpit whilst mooring up

 

[Refueler]

The newer style boats with plumb bows and overhanging single bow rollers were never designed for swinging moorings.

I assume that was a joke ?

 

[Refueler]

There's a sign of the times!
Maybe the bow roller is for the mooring line, as using an anchor seems to be going out of fashion ?

Maybe its just a cosmetic addition ??

 

[Daydream believer]

Maybe its just a cosmetic addition ??

Looking at how weak some are made, that comment may be nearer the point than you think

 

[doug748]

I am in the process of purchasing a Sun Odyssey 33i which has the 'standard' stainless bow support & roller with the anchor stored on it hanging over the bow. The boat will be kept on a swinging mooring so will need to accommodate a mooring strop guided / located in the center of the bow which is currently occupied by the anchor..... So what can be done ideally to let the 2 options co-exist ?? There are a number of temporary options but I need a permanent solution and I would welcome any suggestions idelly with photos / diagrams to illustrate!

A bit like this boat?

You could probably do something with a second bow roller but that may mean you could not fit a prodder at a later date. If you already have the prodder fitting it may not be easy of even possible.





As seumask has suggested the most sensible solution may be to stow the anchor in the well or on deck. This is not odd or unusual and has a number of sailing advantages, esp for the smaller boat.
The technique is not to remove the anchor for mooring but leave it in it's den until actually needed for anchoring the boat.

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[Refueler]

Looking at how weak some are made, that comment may be nearer the point than you think

My Snapdragon 23 had the typical flat plate stemhead fitting and roller. The forestay came out outside Bembridge ... stupid design of threaded link through plate and a nut underdeck. Impossible to get at nut ....

I redesigned the replacement to have a vertical tang down the stem ... and a vertical plate for forestay to shackle to. THAT was good for the job !!