How Stormy A Sea Have You Been in?

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Re:How stormy a sea have you been in

I project manage the design and construction of big jet boats - does that let me win this argument (er discussion)? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif.

Regards

John
 
Re:How stormy a sea have you been in

Yikes,

'open the trottles full in a storm ten', now that I would like to see in a 21' sport boat, just as the bow begins to rise up out of the water and you get a lovely gust of 65knts under you you'll do a fantastic impression of a kite, arse over tit, glug, glug I want my mummy!.

Even the RNLI have strict rules about operating their Atlantic 21's and 75's in wind speeds in excess of 40knts and most helmsmen I know would be extremely reluctant to take their crew out in severe weather conditions unless it was a case of life or death and even then an all weather boat would probably be tasked instead of an inshore boat.

A storm 10 will absolutely for sure cause structural damage, we had a genuine storm 10 here a month or so ago and the place looked like a war zone, down our road there were garden sheds and glasshouses in bits all over the road, trees down (our road was bocked for two days), chimneys off, roofs off, the lot, one guys winnibago type camper ended up on its side and it weighs eight ton!.

A two or three ton sport boat aint gonna stop the forces of a storm ten from pushing it round like a hamster in a Dyson, period!.
 
Re:How stormy a sea have you been in

Read what people say - I did not say anything along the lines of 'open the trottles full in a storm ten'.

It may very well be that your world falls apart in a F10, but you will have to accept that in some places in the world such winds are relatively common - most things that are going to blow down or away have done so, a long time ago.

Our marina is in the middle of a city and as I have said, we get 50 - 60 knot winds through there (and the surrounding built up area) relatively frequently and virtually never any damage. If you know better then that is fine, but out of us two I am actually the only one who has spent any time there.

The average wind speed outside of the harbour here is approximately 25 knots and it is formally stated by the forecasters that in some parts of that forecast area the windspeed can be twice that of the forecast. So on an average day, departing the harbour on a 25 knot forecast one can easily run into 40 - 50 knot winds and we do. Those are the conditions that we are required to face.

Ones perspective has to be seen against the conditions one is used to. There was a recent thread on these forums about how everything stops in the UK when there is a little snow, but in other countries where there is much more of it (eg Canada) everything continues on. Much the same with wind it seems.

John
 
Re:How stormy a sea have you been in

No, not really.
What matters is what you argue and reason, we award no brownie points for anything else nor should we.

The facts are, and I am not saying thay are true in your case, that it could be that some percentage of people who help project manage jet boats are idiots in the same way a proportion of the general population are idiots - hence your reasoning has to stand on its own in any discussion..... it is not a good sign to try an pull some sort of rank around here :-)
 
Re:How stormy a sea have you been in

Nautic
If you look back in the threads yoiu will find that some argued that the inshore RNLI rescue boats could take heavier seas than the offshore ones because inshore waters were always more troubled water- they argues that a planing rib was more seaworthy than an RNLI offsore full size lifeboat - I will leave it up to you to guess who this line of reasoning came from.

I am waiting to be told how they know it is an f10.
 
Re:How stormy a sea have you been in

I take your point about it all stopping with a bit of snow but you cannot change the physics of a 21 foot boat and a f10 wind.

So lets get it clear are you saying that in some condtions it is safe to take out such a 21 foot power boat in a f10? I do not want any smoke screens put up - that is the issue regardless of whether you project manage jet boats or not.

In the Bristol Channel we almost have a prevailing SW5 a lot of the time and a lot of boating is done in it. I do not know of anywhere where there is a prevailing f10 and little 21 foot boats head out into it.

What is the name of the marina you are in? I want to look up the weather recors for the area.
 
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Re:How stormy a sea have you been in

Why not just look up the current weather for Cook Strait, NZ. Beautiful sunny summers day, most settled time of the year, nothing out of the ordinary and is:

Issued at: 4:42 pm 9 Mar 2005 NZDT
Valid to: 11:59 am 10 Mar 2005 NZDT
Forecast
*GALE WARNING IN FORCE*
Northwest rising to 30 knots this evening and to 40 knots in the morning. Sea becoming very rough. Northerly swell rising to 2 metres. Southerly swell rising to 1 metre.
Outlook
following 12 hours: Northwest 50 knots, easing. Change to southerly 35 knots at night.

Current forecast for Wellington is (downloaded by me at approx 22:20 9Mar05):

Wednesday

Max: 21°C Min: 14°C
(Day) (Night)
Fine with high cloud. Northwesterlies.

Thursday

Max: 21°C Min: 13°C
(Day) (Night)
Cloudy, late showers. Northwest gales gusting 100 km/h.

Again nice summers day, supposed to be cloudy tommorrow but nothing out of the ordinary and it is gusting 100 km/hr (approx 54 knots). I suspect most would concede that when we have some bad weather the wind is stronger than that and consistant.

You can have a look for yourself on http://www.metservice.co.nz.

Sad that you think that I am lying. Also, several forumites know my exact location which I am not prepared to reveal beyond that above, and are familiar with the area (one, at least, has been following this thread) - I am sure they would have jumped in if they considered that I was telling porkies.

{Edit: Perhaps I can add that in years past in Wellington's central business district, which is relatively sheltered from the strong winds which always come from the North or South, they used to have to put ropes up at places like exposed street corners, etc to stop people getting blown onto the road in heavy winds. It does not happen so frequently now, I suspect as more high rise buildings have gone up. Not claiming it is the windiest place in the world - just making a point.}

John
 
Re:How stormy a sea have you been in

I do not consider you are lying - fact.

I am becoming very suspicous about claims of f10 winds when in fact there is no way of most folks measuring it.

You sure suffer some high winds but the fact is would it be safe to take a 21 footer out in a f10 and you did not answert the direct question.

I am fascinated by a place that is as windy as yours but I cannot imagine 21 foot planing boats going out in f10's there or anywhere. That is the point.

Really there is no insult meant by the way I am debating this - I am smiling at the cut and thrust of most posts but taht cannot been seen in the message so I am sorry if I offended you.

Now please answer the direct question. :-)
 
Re:How stormy a sea have you been in

Eh ?

You said " many smaller can generate a F10/F11 or greater wind just by opening the trottles wide open" I naturally thought you were implying that a small power boat could produce enough power to overcome the forces of an F10 to make some progress.

I do not doubt you get high winds around your area, plenty of places do, but the point that I think is missing that gusts up to 40 - 50knts are common everywhere in the world quite regularly and perhaps your area sees more than others but an F10 is a mean wind speed of around 50knts which means it can be gusting up to 70knts or more and that is where the damage is done and accidents happen.

I whole heartly agree that the UK is ill equiped to deal with severe weather and as for snow well that another story altogether.
 
Give it a rest.

[ QUOTE ]
"Brendan I think we have to agree to disagree."

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Why can't you just leave it at that?

Why, as it seems, do you take pleasure in analysing every little detail of a post then try to discredit everything? Most here use these forums as a little light relief from daily reality. You on the other hand seem to have too much spare time allowing you to try and force your opinion on anyone who disagrees. Who cares whether someone went out in a F10/F11, does it matter?
What do you gain by proving or disproving?

I once drove my car around part of the M25 @ 155mph, that makes me as least as irresponsible as someone going out in a F10. Was I actually doing 155? Well the speed limiter stopped me going any faster so I assume I was, just the same as others have assumed they went out in an F10. In the scheme of things does it matter? I think not.
 
Re:How stormy a sea have you been in

For goodness sake I suggest you read more carefully. You must be trolling for reactions I think.

I said along the lines that the wind here can be twice as strong as forecast (not talking about gusts being twice as strong as the forecast but the sustained wind can be) leading to my So on an average day, departing the harbour on a 25 knot forecast one can easily run into 40 - 50 knot winds and we do.

I do not see how you extrapolate that into being F10 or me comparing those conditions to F10. I suspect most would see that what was meant was that even on an average day we can have quite strong winds in our sailing area.

I suggest that you get out a bit around the world. You will then understand that the rest of the world is not the same as your little piece of the UK.

Think I will leave you to your blinkers and Gludy to his dissecting (meant in the kindest way Gludy /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif).

John
 
Re: Give it a rest.

Yes Kev. I've just come back from 10 days boating around Cornwall, thinking of posting something amusing and interesting about the trip. But already I'm feeling depressed with all this garbage and verbal diarea. Whats happened to. Interesting, pleasant stories, fun and disasters with boats.

Gludy is making an ordeal out of what is suposed to be fun and relaxing, to the point that I can no longer remember what happened last week!!
 
Re: Give it a rest.

I can't remember what happened last week either Haydn, spent too much time repeating, repeating, repeating... myself on this thread. Fool that I am , but no longer.

Post something about your trip, I will sure enjoy it in silence (just leave out the F10 part and the base jumping expedition though /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif).

John
 
Re:How stormy a sea have you been in

Jeez sorry mate,

I was only trying to explain my point of view, if someone posts something you don't like fair enough but don't start throwing insults.

In fact we both think the same.......you don't go out in storm 10 conditions in a small boat.....and that's it unless you want to look like an idiot and believe me there are idiots out there that would try it.

I thought these forum things were supposed to spark debate and discussion, if you don't want to read it, hunky dorey, no ones going to force you to and you can go off onto another thread. If however you join in don't be suprised if someone takes you to task on what you have said and you did say ;

'Many smaller can generate a F10/11 or greater wind just by opening the trottles wide open' ok so maybe I took it in the wrong context, maybe not.

Personally I am quite enjoying the debate from my tiny part of the world. At the moment I am at home waiting for a repair man and bored silly so here I am being a sad twat, but hey I am learning something, I now know there are humans living just over the hill from my house. I think I go have a look at them someday.
 
Re: Give it a rest.

KevB
If you are not interested in the thread then do mot read it, noone is forcing you to.

I have really regarded this thread as a fairlyght hearted one - so do not take everything so serously ... if people want to make silly statements then they should be prepared to be challanged.
 
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