Gludy
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1 in 6 have been in a f12!!!!!
I am having trouble swollowing that!
I am having trouble swollowing that!
How Stormy A Sea Have You Been in?
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Sammo
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Look! Look! quick Paul there`s another one.
longjohnsilver
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F12 ers
I'm one, surely all pirates have been caught in a storm? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I'm one, surely all pirates have been caught in a storm? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Greg2
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I have seen the flight deck of a carrier go underwater - I was on the quarterdeck 3 decks down at the time /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif!!! Very lumpy in the Bay of Biscay - always remember the sun shining through the wall of green water that filled the openings before it swept over me - the watch on deck came legging it down, thinking me and my oppo had gone overboard - fortunately we hadn't! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Gludy
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Can you imagine a 40 foot Princess in thos sort of seas?
Gludy
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It has been pointed out to me that an f8 in the Solent is probably like an f3/4 in the Bristol Channel so will all those who had their high wind experiences in the Solent please reduce their f number by 3 or 4 points.
Gludy
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26% of you have no claimed having been present in a f10 and above in a normal pleasure boat ........ thinking about it with the wind being generated here, it was probably the self generated wind that made it feel like an f12........ I think someone is fibbing a bit!
gonfishing
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I was on a small frigate that spent Christmas at sea somewhere North of Iceland (certainly not a raggie boat and it was a semi displacement hull with BIG engines that had no understanding of economy but still had the range to go Transatlantic.and hit 30 plus knots if required).
Ships company of 150 + (Cramped crew quarters) only 8 of us not seasick, we hit a monster wave that the Captain reckoned was 100ft plus, it succeeded in bending the bows of the ship upwards, approx 18 inches. Which we found out on return to harbour!! The only time I have been truly frightened at sea!!!!
It was also a Tad cold at the time with Ice forming on the Upper decks, Ah!! I remember the fun well. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Ships company of 150 + (Cramped crew quarters) only 8 of us not seasick, we hit a monster wave that the Captain reckoned was 100ft plus, it succeeded in bending the bows of the ship upwards, approx 18 inches. Which we found out on return to harbour!! The only time I have been truly frightened at sea!!!!
It was also a Tad cold at the time with Ice forming on the Upper decks, Ah!! I remember the fun well. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
BrendanS
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It depends entirely on the wind direction. You cannot, just because you boat in the Severn make claims like that, when you obviously have no first hand knowledge. Seems there are some egos involved here about who boats in the roughest conditions, without taking things like wind direction into account.
Sea conditions are usually as a result of fetch. If the wind is blowing off the land, and you are close to the land, then there is less fetch. Have a look at a chart of the Solent, due W wind can create extremely rough conditions in the Western Solent, especially near Hurst or the Needles, where very strong tides cause amplified wind over tide conditions.
In the same way, people well up the Bristol channel are also land mass sheltered from some wind directions. Asking people to remove 4 points just because they boat in a particular location is complete twaddle.
Far better to have asked which sea conditions they have been out in, rather than just which F force
Sea conditions are usually as a result of fetch. If the wind is blowing off the land, and you are close to the land, then there is less fetch. Have a look at a chart of the Solent, due W wind can create extremely rough conditions in the Western Solent, especially near Hurst or the Needles, where very strong tides cause amplified wind over tide conditions.
In the same way, people well up the Bristol channel are also land mass sheltered from some wind directions. Asking people to remove 4 points just because they boat in a particular location is complete twaddle.
Far better to have asked which sea conditions they have been out in, rather than just which F force
gonfishing
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A nice Easterly 4/5 will produce a sea state of moderate to rough very easily and here in Swansea that is coming of the Land!! the only real time we can go out in anything more than a 5/6 is if it is a Northerly then if one doesn't want a battering you stay fairly inshore even then!!! Now a nice SSW in a 6/7.Nah go down the pub then play on the motorway it would be safer!!! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
BrendanS
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Why would equivalent winds create vastly different conditions in different parts of britain. Most of my boating is done outside the Solent, and I manage quite happily in F7 and above in a 21' 'American Lake boat'
I'll quite happily potter over to Poole in a F7 and meet up with Ribs there, when much bigger boats call in and cancel as it's a bit rough. It's all down to the individual and their comfort levels I suspect.
I'll quite happily potter over to Poole in a F7 and meet up with Ribs there, when much bigger boats call in and cancel as it's a bit rough. It's all down to the individual and their comfort levels I suspect.
Gludy
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Brendan
I, for once, find myself agreeing with you - the sea state is not directly reflected by the wind strength - agreed.
Knock four point off - well on that one, after your comments, I may ask that the area be extended to the whole south coast! ...... no, I was just kidding ... you are taking me too seriously - my highest wind was a f7 ... although I have had 18 foot waves in a very bad area between Tenby and Milford Avon (St Gowans Head) ....... so to date I have always managed to avoid really high winds.
Mind you I do not accept that 25% of forumites have been out in a f10 in any normal power boats - the bigger stuff mentioned here is one thing but doing it in a 35 foot power boat is another thing all together.
I, for once, find myself agreeing with you - the sea state is not directly reflected by the wind strength - agreed.
Knock four point off - well on that one, after your comments, I may ask that the area be extended to the whole south coast! ...... no, I was just kidding ... you are taking me too seriously - my highest wind was a f7 ... although I have had 18 foot waves in a very bad area between Tenby and Milford Avon (St Gowans Head) ....... so to date I have always managed to avoid really high winds.
Mind you I do not accept that 25% of forumites have been out in a f10 in any normal power boats - the bigger stuff mentioned here is one thing but doing it in a 35 foot power boat is another thing all together.
BrendanS
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OK, I will admit to having been out in a F10+ - I've always stated I will nose out of Lymington in whatever the weather, just to see what it's like, and popping out round the Needles to see what it's like in open sea if not too bad. I wouldn't be heading off on a long voyage in those conditions, as it's just too slow, as down at 5knts and hard work steering and powering on and off continually, but it is great fun and a huge confidence booster if you ever do get caught out in those conditions.
With sufficient fuel, I'd quite happily go anywhere in those conditions in my boat, but then I've built up huge trust in that boat over a long period, and would need to build up similar confidence in another boat before I did the same.
If pushed, I'd would actually undertake a voyage in those conditions, but fuel would be the major problem. While you have fuel, you have control. Without fuel you would be broadside on and taking on water fast.
The biggest problem I've always had when poking out round Needles in rough conditions is turning around! You have to time things extremely well. Never ever felt in danger though.
Opening myself up to a lot of knockers here, but I do like building up this sort of experience in controlled conditions to find what is doable and what isn't and also to build up experience of boat handling should I ever need it for real
With sufficient fuel, I'd quite happily go anywhere in those conditions in my boat, but then I've built up huge trust in that boat over a long period, and would need to build up similar confidence in another boat before I did the same.
If pushed, I'd would actually undertake a voyage in those conditions, but fuel would be the major problem. While you have fuel, you have control. Without fuel you would be broadside on and taking on water fast.
The biggest problem I've always had when poking out round Needles in rough conditions is turning around! You have to time things extremely well. Never ever felt in danger though.
Opening myself up to a lot of knockers here, but I do like building up this sort of experience in controlled conditions to find what is doable and what isn't and also to build up experience of boat handling should I ever need it for real
ShipsWoofy
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Running home in an 18ft displacement angling boat in a F9 off the Hilbre Swash back to Hoylake was close enough for me to meeting my Gods. The only redeeming part of the day, it had started really well with a good forecast. We were running home with half the local fishing fleet, I was around 15 years old I think.
So we were always within site of much bigger boats. It taught me a lot about steering in bad weather and controlling the speed. The wind was across the shore, so we managed shelter behind sand banks before it built to F10.
I remember a lot of people on the promenade at Meols watching the boats come in as so many had left that morning. Mostly families I would guess.
Exciting and frightening all at once. I, unlike Brendan, would never do it again by choice!
So we were always within site of much bigger boats. It taught me a lot about steering in bad weather and controlling the speed. The wind was across the shore, so we managed shelter behind sand banks before it built to F10.
I remember a lot of people on the promenade at Meols watching the boats come in as so many had left that morning. Mostly families I would guess.
Exciting and frightening all at once. I, unlike Brendan, would never do it again by choice!
Gludy
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What boat do you go out in f10's in?
Gludy
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No _ I don't think I would ever choose to go out in anything like those conditions.
I want to prepare for them as best I can but would be happy never to experience them.
I want to prepare for them as best I can but would be happy never to experience them.
BrendanS
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Bloody hell Gludy, if you don't know that by now, I have to resort to thinking you don't read any posts but your own. I posted exactly the same info today, yet again. It's a Regal 2150
NorthernWave
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Biscay 57 knots and 25 foot sea in a 128 foot motor yacht.
Southern Med 47 Knots and 30 foot sea in 128 motor yacht
Hurrican Ivan in 70 foot motor yacht had to leave dock when dock started breaking up.
Today: force 2, seas slight, air temp 75 degrees, boat.......... on the hard in the yard!!!!!!
Southern Med 47 Knots and 30 foot sea in 128 motor yacht
Hurrican Ivan in 70 foot motor yacht had to leave dock when dock started breaking up.
Today: force 2, seas slight, air temp 75 degrees, boat.......... on the hard in the yard!!!!!!
Cheery
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' I do like building up this sort of experience in controlled conditions to find what is doable and what isn't and also to build up experience of boat handling should I ever need it for real.'
Possibly the best bit of advice given on this forum for a long time, after all you want to go back and have fun next time out. Impossible when you are dead because you were caught out unexpectedly, as you didn't plan for the unexpected. But as previous articles in MBY have stated all unforeseen circumstances are usually the result of a chain of events. Sufficient fuel. weather forecasts, passage planning etc. Should you be a fairweather boater and only go out when it's like a duck pond, if you haven't had experience in bad weather you will be in serious trouble and lacking the necessary experience when needed.
' I do like building up this sort of experience in controlled conditions to find what is doable and what isn't and also to build up experience of boat handling should I ever need it for real.'
Possibly the best bit of advice given on this forum for a long time, after all you want to go back and have fun next time out. Impossible when you are dead because you were caught out unexpectedly, as you didn't plan for the unexpected. But as previous articles in MBY have stated all unforeseen circumstances are usually the result of a chain of events. Sufficient fuel. weather forecasts, passage planning etc. Should you be a fairweather boater and only go out when it's like a duck pond, if you haven't had experience in bad weather you will be in serious trouble and lacking the necessary experience when needed.
Dave_Snelson
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This is heavily dependent for me. The F8 was a breeze coz it was easterly offshore and there were virtually no waves.
I was out once in an F6 westerley and the waves were 8-10 feet high. The boat took such a pounding, it split my fuel tank open - which was the subject of a post long ago!
I was out once in an F6 westerley and the waves were 8-10 feet high. The boat took such a pounding, it split my fuel tank open - which was the subject of a post long ago!
