How many engine hours has your boat clocked per year

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The average engine hours on my boats when bought were 30 per year and I am interested just how many hours boats do.

Please only reply if you have a Diesel planning boat privately run not commercial.

My thoughts are that for what ever reason

bad weather
family illness
mechanical failure
busy at the office
selling/between boats

At an annual use of 50 hours this equates to 500 NM (average 10 knts due to harbours,berthing etc)

Current fuel cost £680 per year (1.5mpg @45p)
Future fuel cost £2040 per year (1.5 mpg @1.35p) edit thanks Mike

Please divide your total boat engine hours by the age of it and enter .

I dont believe an extra AVERAGE annual running cost of £1300 will affect the boating market.

Please check your clock this weekend and add on Monday.

Or if anyone keeps records of how much they actually spent on diesel this year please see next poll.

This is not how many hours you did this year , we need to look at the annual average of your boat since new.
 
I think there's a fatal flaw in your maths as the fuel cost you have quoted is not £0.45/g (maybe you mean £0.45/litre). £0.45/litre is equivalent to £2.05/g and £1.35/litre (???) is equivalent to £6.13/g which means your figures are as follows

500nm @ 1.5mpg @ £2.05/g = £683
500nm @ 1.5mpg @ £6.13/g = £2043

which is a very big difference for some peeps

Anyway, I think most peeps do about 70-100hrs per year or about 700-1000nm per year and with this sort of usage, the fuel cost difference will be much larger although I agree not as large as other boating costs like berthing, depreciation and servicing
 
I think you need another another poll to establish where people voting in this are based, say South coast between Plymouth and Brighton and the rest of the UK.
I like to boat on the South Coast but it currently costs me £500 to get there and back. When i'm there I can do the nice short trips that eveybody based there enjoys, and the fuel cost is not significant for a 20mile round trip. But if it costs me £1000 to get there and back, i'm not going to bother.
 
Lets look at it another (simpler) way. 500nm at 1.5mpg is 333 gallons. That is 1513 litres.

Cost difference on Daka's figures is £0.90.litre. So your average joe is going to have to find another £1362 next year.

I can see how that would make some people stop. But bearing in mind that a 10m boat in a south coast marina will cost an average of £4500 per year (Hamble point quoted me £7,000 for next year), fuel is currently costing Joe £680, insurance £500, and annual maintenance is probably £1000 depending on who he uses, his cost this year are £6680. That is before you depreciate his asset, factor in the loss of earning from having £100k tied up or the amount paid on a loan.

On his basic annual costs, the increase equates to a 20% rise. which is hefty. If you view it in a monthly amount however, he needs to find another £113.50 a month. Or go out to dinner once less often. Put like that, maybe less of an impatc.

Que Gludy to explain at great length why I am completely wrong /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
Well spotted Mike.
Sorry for my HUGE error.

I still feel the average hours in a boats life is well below 50.

As long as everyone checks their gauges this weekend we shall see.
I have no doubt many forum members did more last year but this is compensated by all those forum members that didnt do any !

I know £1500 is a lot to find, for me as much as anyone (our Northern wages are a pittance ), but over the boating market in general it is not an extra £1500 per year, a huge percentage of boats dont make it outside the marina never mind past the Needles.
 
I'm not happy about costs going up but in simplistic terms it means that my hobby (let's not suggest it is more significant than that) will go from bloody expensive to even more bloody expensive.

It will push some over the edge, for sure. Others will carry on because they feel that the pleasure they get makes it worth it to them.
 
"Que Gludy to explain at great length why I am completely wrong "

I am not saying you are completely wrong. Some people in the 500 Nm situation you describe will act as you state. I have even stated that the sort of market which you are in with your smaller boats will be less effected because of the very reasons you state. I know people with petrol boats of that length now who already have those expenses and use their boat for small local trips as per your example/

What I do say is that some will not enter the market and others will leave the market or change to sail etc etc. I also say that the cruising boat market or those who do higher milage will be heavily hit. I do say that marginal cost of a trip against the benefit recieved from that trip is a big factor - its not can I afford - it is - 'Is it worth it?'

Add to that the people I know who struggle to keep their boat going now because they sacrifice in other areas and work hard but cannot no longer keep it because of this extra expense and you have the sad state of those having to stop te pastime they love because of stupid government policies.
 
Maybe we should have a poll as to who is actually seriously thinking about selling up from boating , that would give a true account of this situation.
However in order for someone to sell up someone else has to buy , probably into boating for the first time.

Maybe the boatshare sysytem may beome more popular that way it reduced the annual cost of boating, more on the lines of pay as you use to a degree.
 
What you also have to consider is that to some (like me) boating isn't everything. We still enjoy our two foreign summer holidays a year and 2 weeks skiing. With an average nearer 150 hours per year and an EXTRA cost of maybe £4500 - something has to give.......

I will continue boating but differently
 
Polls are no more than a bit of a laugh on here.
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I know, in a small circle of people some selling out to go to sail, some stopping boating and some planing to just abosrb the cost.

In my Marina a 60 foot boat is about £3500 pa. a 300 foot boat about £1800 p.a. so for sucg a boat the fuel cost increase if used as any sort of cruising boat is very high.

There are many small harboutrs and marinsa away from the South Coast where power boat owners will be priced oput of the market.

The market however will adjust and it will be a smaller market with a higher percentage of smaller boats.
 
DAKA, actually I don't think it's the cost calculation itself which will make people think twice about their motor boating. I know £1500 or £2000 or whatever is not a huge amount when compared to the overall cost of keeping a boat. I've been in the Med for 5 yrs now paying Med fuel prices but I still have'nt got used to the idea of spending £800-1000 to fill my boat up compared to £300 it used to cost me in the UK. It's going to cost the average 40-45ft mobo owner £1000 to fill his boat up when red diesel goes and that just seems to me to be a ludicrous amount of money to blow and would slightly spoil my enjoyment of the boat. Also knowing that the major proportion of that £1000 is going straight to a greedy and wasteful Chancellor would spoil my enjoyment even more
So, what I'm trying to say is that it's not just about cold hard facts and figures but about the pain of signing a credit card slip for that amount of money, not to mention having to justify it to SWMBO /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
[quote. I also say that the cruising boat market or those who do higher mileage will be heavily hit.

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Those who cruise a lot have the option to cruise to The Channel Islands or Belgium to fill up with cheap fuel.

The ones who have entered 250 hours and more probably filled up numerous times in CI and even France will be cheaper to fill (80p ish ????)

So the cost the the high users will not increase to 1.35p, more like 80p average ????????




Note to Kev,

I know some of us as individuals will be hit hard but I am thinking more of the overall effect, average extra cost is not too significant, sad as it may be for the few who choose to give up, there is always a sad tale of someone getting too old or hard up and has been since the beginning of time in dug out canoes.
 
ha - a displacement boat so no poll for me eh

'94 boat has 2350 hrs, been very quiet this year at around 100 hours so far.... but you're right - at around a gall/hr including winter heating - the increase will simply be unpopular rather than habit-changing. Likely put the nail in getting a faster one though.
 
swmbo asked me about the cost of filling up at the higher prices. I told her not to worry, I was only going to half fill up, so it would be about the same cost!
I ll repeat myself, though. The marinas are full of all sorts of people, and I m not sure on what basis anyone can deduce how people will behave, certainly not on the "I know a bloke who" basis. Sure some will decide up front that its not worth it and best get out now. I wonder though whether many wont just suck it and see. Its going to be an intitial shock for sure.
 
If I sell up then who wants a 38 year old planing boat with 2 x elderly and smoky Perkins? Not many I suspect, which is why we could afford her in the first place. Selling not much of an option then.

Fuel is one of my big bills, inexpensive mooring and almost all servicing is DIY initially because I had to and now also because I usually enjoy it.

My fuel bill looks to double, my disposable income has not done the same. This is something that Mr Brown, hoping for my vote and possibly needing it judging by the polls, has failed to take into account. As have you Messrs Cameron and Campbell...

The net effect could be to strand me with an "asset" of which I cannot make best use. No Mr Green person, your suggestions please? Bear in mind that the asset continues to exist, will have a carbon cost if disposed of by scrapping and you don't beleive in waste do you?
 
I suppose that fuel is the one discretionary cost of boating in that if you can't afford to fuel your boat, you can still sit in a marina. I have said all along that the demise of red diesel will not have a major impact on the mobo market. People will use their boats like I use my boat in the Med. Go less far and do it slower
 
That can't be true /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Everybody knows once fuel costs £1 or more a litre the Earth stops revolving on its axis in it's orbit around the sun /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

All boats are put up for sale, no one will buy them and all boats are engulfed in silt as the Marinas go bust, archaeologists will dig them up in a few hundred years and assume there was a natural disaster on epic proportions.

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Care to share how many average annual hours your boat has on the clock ?
 
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