How do you plan a safe passage into harbour ?

[DAKA]

Sketch shows a Harbour above , second part of sketch shows a small boat channel.

You are entering into a Harbour.

Numerous boats exiting harbour.

There is a designated small boats channel as marked on the sketch.

A sailing boat is taking his sails down in the entrance marked purple X on the chartlet, (brown waffy sails in small boat channel)

A sailing boat is leaving the harbour in the centre of the channel, marked purple - on the chartlet and brow sailing boat in small boat channel.

A power boat is overtaking the sailing boat which puts the power boat on the wrong side of the channel (purple -) and in your way.

Where do you go ?

In the main shipping channel against local bylaw

straight down the port side of the small boats channel 11 - 10 - 9

Back out to sea and wait until the sailing boats have finished sailing in/out , putting sails up/down but note it is a busy harbour, that will be well after dark !

 

[henryf]

I'm afraid I struggled to understand the question. In my limited experience boating isn't 2 dimensional. The relative speed of craft mean the chess board is always moving. The boat may be lowering sails but it will be drifting with wind / tide or under motor.

If a boat is out of position according to regulations you can often shepherd them back into position using your boat's body language and even the radio if necessary.

Not as simple as a drawing.

Henry

 

[epervier]

Reduce speed and follow the yotist in,




what have you been up to now then Pete?

you pose these questions after you've had a falling out with the yoting fraternity.

 

[sailorman]

Sketch shows a Harbour above , second part of sketch shows a small boat channel.

You are entering into a Harbour.

Numerous boats exiting harbour.

There is a designated small boats channel as marked on the sketch.

A sailing boat is taking his sails down in the entrance marked purple X on the chartlet, (brown waffy sails in small boat channel)

A sailing boat is leaving the harbour in the centre of the channel, marked purple - on the chartlet and brow sailing boat in small boat channel.

A power boat is overtaking the sailing boat which puts the power boat on the wrong side of the channel (purple -) and in your way.

Where do you go ?

In the main shipping channel against local bylaw

straight down the port side of the small boats channel 11 - 10 - 9

Back out to sea and wait until the sailing boats have finished sailing in/out , putting sails up/down but note it is a busy harbour, that will be well after dark !

Yes keep stink pots well clear of yachties when entering / leaving Pompy

 

[Firefly625]

Reduce speed and follow the yotist in,




what have you been up to now then Pete?

you pose these questions after you've had a falling out with the yoting fraternity.

Yup, agree with you there Dave, so confess Pete, what did you do, and what did they call you?

 

[Bertramdriver]

Take bible in right hand and stay clear of anything with cloth over it

 

[benjenbav]

tbh I'd be inclined to wait until the outbound vessels have cleared the yacht which is taking down its sails and either follow it in or reassess whether it was sensible to overtake after the outbound vessels are clear astern.

A more amusing answer might be to tear past the yacht and use the fabled mobo wash to force it out of the small boat channel: after all it probably is not under power (or else why not just follow it in) and it seems to be loitering so might as well make it three contraventions of the general directions as to use of the small boats channel (assuming this to be Portsmouth).

 

[rbcoomer]

Move out of channel, drop hook, put the kettle on and wait for Daka to return to port and clear away the Raggies. Film the ensuing kerfuffle, sell to "You've been framed" and put proceeds in the fuel tank

 

[superheat6k]

Stand clear until the situation allows a safe and prudent entry. Well used to the suggested harbour, and well used to cursing at the idiots who can't estimate how wide a 50m channel is and therefore do not stand any possible chance of estimating what their half of the channel is at 25 m.

At that time my berth was in Haslar creek, so having cautiously demanded my right to navigate on the right hand margin of the channel, I then had to turn sharply left across the outbound traffic to enter Haslar creek. However, if hogging the stbd extreme limit, anyone to your port hand is obliged to stand clear of you, and anyone to your stbd is an idiot who just doesn't understand the principle if a small boat channel, and should be ignored.

Under rule 17 of the collision regs you are obliged to make whatever manoeuvre is necessary to avoid a collision anyway, and this will likely override any local rule merely to enforce channel restrictions, and if I were challenged this would be my defence, whilst then suggesting said enforcer speak instead with said idiots the wrong side of the navigable channel.

 

[paultallett]

Reduce speed and follow the yotist in,




what have you been up to now then Pete?

you pose these questions after you've had a falling out with the yoting fraternity.

+1

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

I guess you've been shouted at by yotties again, Pete? I presume you're talking about the Portsmouth small boat channel. IMHO you should just wait outside the channel for the other boats to sort themselves out, then proceed when it's safe to do so

 

[DAKA]

Thanks for everyone's response, especially the ones with local knowledge who have experienced similar.

This time I was merely an observer, it was a genuine question.

I was entering on a fast flood .

I guess the sailing boat leaving was struggling against the flood barely making headway, I further guess he had allowed himself to drift to the centre of the small boat channel which caused a problem for everyone else.

Coupled with the clot who decided to hoist/lower his sails in such a busy area, I realised that I I was about to find myself in a situation best avoided, and was pondering what could I best do to avoid the idiots .

Of course in reality you get less time to think about it than you got to read the plan .

As luck would have it the powerboat leaving had also pre empted the two clots coming together and opened up, he shot off out through the main shipping channel and was gone in seconds leaving a nice gap for me

I think the twit in the sailing boat heading out causing the problem then shouted obscenities at the powerboat or perhaps it was just Raggie Tourettes .

Its a shame the small boat channel isnt marked like Poole.

 

[l'escargot]

'Fraid the powerboat overtaking was the one in the wrong and caused the problem Pete:

"Small Boats should remain on the Starboard side of the Small Boat Channel and should adjust their speed to remain within the Small Boat Channel rather than overtake and be forced into the main channel."

Have to use that throttle...

 

[[2068]]

You slow down a fraction until the sailing yacht has got his act together.
Then stick to the correct side of the channel, and hold course.
The overtaking powerboat will have to bottle out in one of two directions (use 5 short blasts if necessary) - either he will cut in front of the sailing yacht and get shouted at by the yacht, or he will end up in the main channel and either get flattened by a destroyer, aircraft carrier, frigate, ferry, submarine, or the Portsmouth QHM volunteer patrol.

 

[DAKA]

'Fraid the powerboat overtaking was the one in the wrong and caused the problem Pete:

"Small Boats should remain on the Starboard side of the Small Boat Channel and should adjust their speed to remain within the Small Boat Channel rather than overtake and be forced into the main channel."

Have to use that throttle...

You have actually explained a lot with that post (seriously, not having a go).

I make the assumption that col regs / bylaws apply equally to raggies.

Both raggies being in the wrong

raggie 1
sailing out the channel against the wind and strong flood
he should be under power between ballast and N0.4 (no motoring cone visible)
Perhaps he had some power on however he was clearly filling his sails and having to cross the 50m small boat channel.
Guilty of loitering and impeding.

Raggie 2
hoisting/lowering sails between no.4 and ballast , again loitering and impeding a vessel that can only navigate a narrow channel (not allowed outside it)

Whether my technical assessment is accurate or not (and it is not offered as an argument) the reality in the solent is that raggies are not abiding by col regs or local bylaws and I need to take this fact on board and navigate accordingly.



In my opinion the power boat heading out that went on the plane should have undertaken the raggie and used the free water on the starboard side of the channel.

Does anyone know of any reason why a boat shouldnt undertake ?

 

[DAKA]

You slow down a fraction until the sailing yacht has got his act together.
Then stick to the correct side of the channel, and hold course.
The overtaking powerboat will have to bottle out in one of two directions (use 5 short blasts if necessary) - either he will cut in front of the sailing yacht and get shouted at by the yacht, or he will end up in the main channel and either get flattened by a destroyer, aircraft carrier, frigate, ferry, submarine, or the Portsmouth QHM volunteer patrol.

That manoeuvre sounds like fun from a distance but a little too high risk for me , remember QHM is watching

 

[henryf]

Knowing the location extremely well there is no point in dissecting the col regs.

People do the wrong thing entering and leaving Portsmouth harbour on an hourly basis. In fact I can hardly remember a day when there has been 4 or more boats and everyone does the right thing. So you have to use common sense. Sometimes that means holding back, sometimes it means passing Starboard to Starboard, sometimes it means pressing on a little, sometimes it means pulling out towards the main channel a bit more.

The water in the entrance to Portsmouth can get very messy at peak flow and this past weekend was a spring tide. I have seen boats going backwards as they try to enter Portsmouth so to try and hold station relative to a very slow boat whilst being buffeted from side to side by waves rarely makes sense and only exasperates the situation for others. Try to clear the entrance in a safe and timely manner.

QHM are not stupid - unlike some of the harbour wombles - they actions taken to reduce risk. The last thing they want is a raft of 10 boats going 1 way trying not to hit each other whilst avoiding several boats speeding the other way.

Henry

 

[Fantasie 19]

Knowing the location extremely well there is no point in dissecting the col regs.

People do the wrong thing entering and leaving Portsmouth harbour on an hourly basis. In fact I can hardly remember a day when there has been 4 or more boats and everyone does the right thing. So you have to use common sense. Sometimes that means holding back, sometimes it means passing Starboard to Starboard, sometimes it means pressing on a little, sometimes it means pulling out towards the main channel a bit more.

The water in the entrance to Portsmouth can get very messy at peak flow and this past weekend was a spring tide. I have seen boats going backwards as they try to enter Portsmouth so to try and hold station relative to a very slow boat whilst being buffeted from side to side by waves rarely makes sense and only exasperates the situation for others. Try to clear the entrance in a safe and timely manner.

QHM are not stupid - unlike some of the harbour wombles - they actions taken to reduce risk. The last thing they want is a raft of 10 boats going 1 way trying not to hit each other whilst avoiding several boats speeding the other way.

Henry

Nicely put.....

 

[gjgm]

This time I was merely an observer,

I should hope so, Daka. I hardly imagined you on anything so small it needed to be IN the small boat channel.

 

[l'escargot]

You have actually explained a lot with that post (seriously, not having a go).

I make the assumption that col regs / bylaws apply equally to raggies.

Both raggies being in the wrong

raggie 1
sailing out the channel against the wind and strong flood
he should be under power between ballast and N0.4 (no motoring cone visible)
Perhaps he had some power on however he was clearly filling his sails and having to cross the 50m small boat channel.
Guilty of loitering and impeding.

Raggie 2
hoisting/lowering sails between no.4 and ballast , again loitering and impeding a vessel that can only navigate a narrow channel (not allowed outside it)

Whether my technical assessment is accurate or not (and it is not offered as an argument) the reality in the solent is that raggies are not abiding by col regs or local bylaws and I need to take this fact on board and navigate accordingly.



In my opinion the power boat heading out that went on the plane should have undertaken the raggie and used the free water on the starboard side of the channel.

Does anyone know of any reason why a boat shouldnt undertake ?

Did the boat sailing out have an engine? Was the boat lowering his sails motoring at the same time? Neither of them were necessarily doing anything wrong. The overtaking motorboat definitely was though.

You suggest mobos not abiding by colregs/ local bye laws as well - wrong side of channel/entering main channel/exceeding speed limits - so you better watch out for them too.

Only cars undertake - you can pass another boat on either side providing there is room.