How do you plan a safe passage into harbour ?

[Fantasie 19]

Did the boat sailing out have an engine? Was the boat lowering his sails motoring at the same time? Neither of them were necessarily doing anything wrong. The overtaking motorboat definitely was though.

You suggest mobos not abiding by colregs/ local bye laws as well - wrong side of channel/entering main channel/exceeding speed limits - so you better watch out for them too.

Only cars undertake - you can pass another boat on either side providing there is room.

The engine is a given when entering Portsmouth Harbour - unless they were ignoring that rule too??

 

[Philiz]

I'm not familiar with the area but I would imagine usual rules apply, yotties are in the wrong and complete idiots, Daka is correct!

 

[superheat6k]

The thing is a yacht is not obliged to have an engine, but should still sail his vessel prudently. He is not doing that if the tide is running at 4 knots, and his best speed is 3.5 ! At that point he s being an a**e, and should retire from his efforts and go away until conditions more favourable return on the opposite tide. However, many sailing boats zipping down the harbour at hull speed (e.g. 5 knots), are somewhat surprised when they find their wind and means of propulsion disappears at the built up narrow entrance.

I am surprised at how much interest it is assumed the QHM will have in a bunch of leisure sailors when, as is the case for 98% of the time, there is no larger vessel navigating the entrance. However, now that the QHM is to be replaced by a private firm, with a profit motive and presumably an ability to impose fines and penalties on offending harbour entrants and exitors (is that a word ?), the dynamic may well alter considerably for the worse.

Time then for bigger engines that the harbour patrol's dory can't catch up with after all we don't have registration plates (yet) !

 

[epervier]

after all we don't have registration plates (yet) !

Name of vessel is enough, if part I registered and in some cases Part III is enough to get caught. (but I'm just splitting hairs) registration is on it's way, after all we can't all be out on the water enjoying ourselves without nanny checking on us, can we?

 

[DAKA]

The thing is a yacht is not obliged to have an engine, but should still sail his vessel prudently. He is not doing that if the tide is running at 4 knots, and his best speed is 3.5 ! At that point he s being an a**e, and should retire from his efforts and go away until conditions more favourable return on the opposite tide. However, many sailing boats zipping down the harbour at hull speed (e.g. 5 knots), are somewhat surprised when they find their wind and means of propulsion disappears at the built up narrow entrance.

I am surprised at how much interest it is assumed the QHM will have in a bunch of leisure sailors when, as is the case for 98% of the time, there is no larger vessel navigating the entrance. However, now that the QHM is to be replaced by a private firm, with a profit motive and presumably an ability to impose fines and penalties on offending harbour entrants and exitors (is that a word ?), the dynamic may well alter considerably for the worse.

Time then for bigger engines that the harbour patrol's dory can't catch up with after all we don't have registration plates (yet) !

CCTV on Fort Blockhouse , £1000 fine for not using motor
When they respond that they were £500 fine for not displaying a motoring cone

how do I apply for the franchise ?



(not meant as a serious post)

 

[l'escargot]

The engine is a given when entering Portsmouth Harbour - unless they were ignoring that rule too??

Assuming it has one - it isn't compulsory yet to fit an engine to all sailboats. There are boats such as the Victory class based in Portsmouth harbour that probably sail in and out on a daily basis.

 

[benjenbav]

Assuming it has one - it isn't compulsory yet to fit an engine to all sailboats. There are boats such as the Victory class based in Portsmouth harbour that probably sail in and out on a daily basis.

I almost misread this as "There are boats such as the Victory based in Portsmouth harbour..." and then I thought, that's true but that barky don't do much sailing these days.

 

[l'escargot]

I almost misread this as "There are boats such as the Victory based in Portsmouth harbour..." and then I thought, that's true but that barky don't do much sailing these days.

Even Daka would have to avoid that if it was coming out of Pompey...

 

[Fantasie 19]

Assuming it has one - it isn't compulsory yet to fit an engine to all sailboats. There are boats such as the Victory class based in Portsmouth harbour that probably sail in and out on a daily basis.

Agreed - although the Victory I sailed on had an engine, but it was a faff deploying it...

 

[DAKA]

Agreed - although the Victory I sailed on had an engine, but it was a faff deploying it...

The Victory class are a lovely classic that deserve respect (when they are not racing through Easthead anchorage).

Just for the record the boat sailing out of the Harbour wasnt a lovely classic, it was a 40-45ft plastic tub with a pompsilock at the helm .

 

[C08]

As superheat has said this is very like the small boat channel at poatsmouth Harbour Entrance and several times I have had problems with idiots coming out and hogging the starboard side of the channel making it impossible to enter and pass port to port unless you then enter within the main channel. I usually hang back until the way is reasoanbly clear. A problem caused by lack of awareness/lack of courtesy giving others space-a minority of boaters can be incredibly arrogant.